Were Culber and Stamets married?

[Greg Cox]

Why not, why assume the whole of Starfleet operates 100% on old human cultural values...that would be absurd for an intergalactic organisation.

Exactly. And even with regards to humanity, STAR TREK is not set in the 1950s. Any stigma against "living in sin" started dying as far back as the seventies at least. The very notion would seem quaint in a series set in 2018, let alone the far future.

 

[Nyotarules]

Exactly. And even with regards to humanity, STAR TREK is not set in the 1950s. Any stigma against "living in sin" started dying as far back as the seventies at least. The very notion would seem quaint in a series set in 2018, let alone the far future.

There is a Federation race (Efrosians) where according to Memory Beta its considered bad form for the male to actually parent his biological children, and the females/mothers are expected to have children with more than one male. They are culturally polyamorous (Efrosians), its their norm. Plus there are many other races that would not operate on a traditional, Western nuclear family set up. As Terrancentric as Starfleet comes across (in universe and real life) for it to be accepted by the other races as the Federation's defense force it would have to drop a lot of its traditional, humancentric way of doing things or just represent United Earth only.

 

[MrPointy]

I didn't see no rings on no fingers.

 

[Tuskin38]

I didn't see no rings on no fingers.

That doesn’t mean anything.

200 years from now traditions can change.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

That doesn’t mean anything.

200 years from now traditions can change.

Indeed. I don't recall the O'Briens (on DS9) wearing wedding rings...

 

[Nyotarules]

I know plenty of married people who do not wear rings. A ring is just a symbol you did something legal.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I didn't see no rings on no fingers.

They weren't on their fingers

 

[Tenacity]

STAR TREK is not set in the 1950s

But traditions that change can change again. It might sound silly for social customs in the future to be like the 1950s, but isn't it equally silly to expert them to be like the 2010s?

a traditional, Western nuclear family set up

Not just the west, but other places around the world as well have similar set up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kieko was dressed up as a lady from 700 years in the past at her wedding, so how is that not traditional?

The lower your rank, where you are berthed in a Starship is relative to where your "main" job is, that you can get to your battle stations ASAP during a red alert even if you are off duty or asleep... This would suggest that during a really-really life threatening red alert that some crew chose not to get (fully) dressed, if the klaxxons go off when they are asleep, depending on what they wear, if anything, to sleep.

It might be that there is a regulation that you can't sleep naked?

Or there is "Naked Tuesdays" so that no one is out of sorts having to deal with nude workmates in a more stressful situation?

Point is, that where in the ship your bunk or king size cot is, is not a question of "leisure" when the Romulans have locked torpedoes on your primary hull. The Captain wants the yeomen who primes the phaser batteries, and her understudy, to be at their post and making sure that the ship can return fire, before the entire crew is sucking vacuum.

There is no randomness about where crew is told to sleep.

 

[Kemaiku]

The point is, Starfleet is not so puritanical as to not let couples share quarters. That's (as has been pointed out) a very outdated notion even today, nevermind 200+ years from now.

 

[Tenacity]

The lower your rank, where you are berthed in a Starship is relative to where your "main" job is

At the same time, Starfleet might continue to have "officer's country," "the goat locker" (petty officer's quarters) and area of "crew barracks" (even if individual rooms).

Starfleet is not so puritanical as to not let couples share quarters. That's (as has been pointed out) a very outdated notion even today

Today I don't believe that even married personnel get to officially share quarters aboard a naval vessel, and certainly not unmarried personnel.

Please correct me if wrong.

 

[Nyotarules]

Today I don't believe that even married personnel get to officially share quarters aboard a naval vessel, and certainly not unmarried personnel.

Please correct me if wrong.

Starfleet is not the navy, its based on an Earth navy set up but I would expect it to be adaptable to the traditions of aliens. In the Andorian Imperial 'navy' Shran was in a relationship with one of his officers, it did not come across as taboo either. And since Vulcan males go into heat every 7 (Earth?) years it would help if their mates/spouses/partners were nearby.
Also Earth navy personnel are not on tour for five years with no easy access to home.
Starfleet ships are 'small towns' where personnel live together for five years or less.

 

[Kemaiku]

Let's not forget Beyond showed that the crew are allowed to hook up as they please, stay the night, so long as it doesn't interfere with their duties.

 

[Greg Cox]

And it's worth remembering that the real reason we never saw unmarried couples sharing quarters on TOS is because the network censors would have never allowed that back in the 1960s. That restriction no longer applies so we're free to assume that it was happening off-camera on TOS; we just weren't allowed to see it on NBC.

 

[Timo]

Sharing of quarters was a big no-no in TOS to begin with - to no small part because of the above restriction. We never saw quarters with more than one bed, or with a bed broad enough to count as double. Although we frequently did see two people in the same bed, even if generally one was trying to kill the other or something innocent like that.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Awesome Possum]

Sharing of quarters was a big no-no in TOS to begin with - to no small part because of the above restriction. We never saw quarters with more than one bed, or with a bed broad enough to count as double. Although we frequently did see two people in the same bed, even if generally one was trying to kill the other or something innocent like that.

Timo Saloniemi

It's probably less Starfleet regulation and more NBC regulation. According to Roddenberry's convention appearances, he wanted the crew to be more equal in terms of gender representation with half the crew being female. Execs claimed that it would make audiences think the crew were all having sex, so they had to reduce the number of female crew.

I figured they were married, but it's possible that marriage isn't really a think in human society except as an old fashioned tradition. Some would still do it, but the majority doesn't really bother anymore. Most of the benefits now are basically related to legal matters and taxes, I doubt those are much of an issue in the 23rd century.

 

[Kemaiku]

Besides, Stamets made the ship possible, the spore drive was his and Lorca was (as much as would not give the game away) determined to give him what he asked for. Best quarters on the ship for him and his life partner? not exactly asking much.

 

[Greg Cox]

I figured they were married, but it's possible that marriage isn't really a think in human society except as an old fashioned tradition. Some would still do it, but the majority doesn't really bother anymore. Most of the benefits now are basically related to legal matters and taxes, I doubt those are much of an issue in the 23rd century.

To be fair, marriage does still seem to be a thing in STAR TREK. See Sarek and Amanda, Miles and Keiko, Paris and Torres, Pulaski's ex-husbands, the widow Crusher, Chapel's fiancee, Spock's fiancee, and any number of married couples popping up as guest-stars. Heck, Gary Mitchell teased Kirk about almost marrying a pretty blonde lab technician as far back as the second pilot, while the very first TREK ep to ever air, "Mantrap," featured a husband-and-wife team of scientists (one of whom, okay, turned out to be Salt Vampire).

We even see Kirk performing a wedding in "Balance of Terror," way back in Season One.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I'm going to say that they weren't married, on the admittedly tenuous basis that if they were, Lorca would have known that there was no point whatsoever in trying to order that Stamets be attended to by other medical staff - because as Stamets' spouse, Culber would *still* be involved in his care in *that* capacity.

 

[cultcross]

I'm going to say that they weren't married, on the admittedly tenuous basis that if they were, Lorca would have known that there was no point whatsoever in trying to order that Stamets be attended to by other medical staff - because as Stamets' spouse, Culber would *still* be involved in his care in *that* capacity.

All the more reason to get a different doctor. Stamets being treated by his husband would be very unprofessional of Culber, if there was another option. You don't 'doctor' to your family. Source: family of doctor.