Watchmen: The Official Film Companion

[USS Mariner]

I totally agree. I mean... it would have been interesting to see how it would have played and it's possible that it might have gone over well. But there's also the chance that it was such a tonal change from what came in the first 90 minutes of the movie that they would have lost the audience the moment it appeared.

People can sit through Pirates and don't seem to mind the juxtaposition of 16 and 17th century piracy with sea monsters and magic.

Besides, the book does set up the appearance of the squid through the references to the missing people, though the genetic part of the plan was a bit half-assed in comparison.

As strange as it sounds, I honestly don't mind the change now. I'm much more infuriated with the way they re-wrote everything else, however, like actually naming them the Watchmen and some atrocious costuming choices for key characters.

 

[Praetor]

As strange as it sounds, I honestly don't mind the change now. I'm much more infuriated with the way they re-wrote everything else, however, like actually naming them the Watchmen and some atrocious costuming choices for key characters.

Agreed, but, aren't they just using 'Watchmen' in place of 'masked adventurers' or whatever? Still makes my ears bleed a bit, either way.

And just what costumes would you refer to?

 

[USS Mariner]

As strange as it sounds, I honestly don't mind the change now. I'm much more infuriated with the way they re-wrote everything else, however, like actually naming them the Watchmen and some atrocious costuming choices for key characters.

Agreed, but, aren't they just using 'Watchmen' in place of 'masked adventurers' or whatever? Still makes my ears bleed a bit, either way.

They're still calling the Minutemen by their correct name, but the Crimebusters are apparently called Watchmen here, even though that never panned out in the first place.

And just what costumes would you refer to?

Well, there's Batman, Ozynippledias, and Spandex Spectre.

 

[Praetor]

As strange as it sounds, I honestly don't mind the change now. I'm much more infuriated with the way they re-wrote everything else, however, like actually naming them the Watchmen and some atrocious costuming choices for key characters.

Agreed, but, aren't they just using 'Watchmen' in place of 'masked adventurers' or whatever? Still makes my ears bleed a bit, either way.

They're still calling the Minutemen by their correct name, but the Crimebusters are apparently called Watchmen here, even though that never panned out in the first place.

Really? That... well, sucks. I was just under the impression 'watchmen' was a general term. *sigh*

And just what costumes would you refer to?

Well, there's Batman, Ozynippledias, and Spandex Spectre.

That's Robin-mandias and Latex Spectre to you, pal.

Seriously, why does Nite Owl not look at all like an owl now? I know the comic costume wouldn't have worked straight out of the comics, but, really...

 

[USS Mariner]

Look at the Official Film Companion and the Art of Books. There's at least three or four color concepts between them that would have been absolutely phenomenal as a live-action Nite Owl, bird motif and all.

Of course, Zach gas gone on the record as wanting Nite Owl to have a "Batman look," thus resulting in the walking, bronzed Dark Knight ripoff.

Oh yeah, I just noticed they got rid of The Comedian's "gimp" mask. Laaaaaaaaaaaame.

 

[Praetor]

Well, you've just reinforced my desire to buy those books.

Wonder why they did away with the gimp mask?

 

[Anthony Sabre]

I know I'm way behind but I plan on going to buy the Watchmen graphic novel this weekend. If I like then I'll check out the movie after that.

 

[Norrin Radd]

I think the strangeness of the squid is kind of the whole point. It's so out of left field...so totally alien...that the world can't believe it would be faked in order to stop a war.

 

[Praetor]

Exactly.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Considering how fractured single countries can be, the United States as just one example, I find it hard to imagine even a threat of an alien invasion would unite the whole world. Maybe in the short term but it would never last.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Considering how fractured single countries can be, the United States as just one example, I find it hard to imagine even a threat of an alien invasion would unite the whole world. Maybe in the short term but it would never last.

That was precisely Dr. Manhattan's point at the end of the book. No matter how ingenious Veidt's plan was, it was doomed because it was short-term.

"Nothing ever ends, Adrian".

 

[Dick Whitman]

Ok I thought that but then that means Veidt is an idiot. It should not take Dr Manhattan to see that. While Moore has DM make that obvious observation the rest of the ending seems focused on the possibility of the phoniness of the alien threat being revealed.

 

[USS Mariner]

I think the strangeness of the squid is kind of the whole point. It's so out of left field...so totally alien...that the world can't believe it would be faked in order to stop a war.

Bingo.

 

[miraclefan]

Considering how fractured single countries can be, the United States as just one example, I find it hard to imagine even a threat of an alien invasion would unite the whole world. Maybe in the short term but it would never last.

That was precisely Dr. Manhattan's point at the end of the book. No matter how ingenious Veidt's plan was, it was doomed because it was short-term.

"Nothing ever ends, Adrian".

That is exactly the same thought I had I mean COME ON!! if the HORROR'S that where WW2 and the droping of two NUKES with very HELLISH results were not enough to make the world relize that war is not the answer, then I seriusly doubt a giant SQUIDDBILLIE wipeing out new york would.for being the worlds smartest man Veidt was just a idiot here

 

[Norrin Radd]

Considering how fractured single countries can be, the United States as just one example, I find it hard to imagine even a threat of an alien invasion would unite the whole world. Maybe in the short term but it would never last.

That was precisely Dr. Manhattan's point at the end of the book. No matter how ingenious Veidt's plan was, it was doomed because it was short-term.

"Nothing ever ends, Adrian".

That is exactly the same thought I had I mean COME ON!! if the HORROR'S that where WW2 and the droping of two NUKES with very HELLISH results were not enough to make the world relize that war is not the answer, then I seriusly doubt a giant SQUIDDBILLIE wipeing out new york would.for being the worlds smartest man Veidt was just a idiot here

It's not stupidity. It's arrogance.

OZYMANDIAS by Percy Bysshe Shelley
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

The once-great king's proud boast has been ironically disproved; Ozymandias's works have crumbled and disappeared, his civilization is gone, all has been turned to dust by the impersonal, indiscriminate, destructive power of history. The ruined statue is now merely a monument to one man's hubris, and a powerful statement about the insignificance of human beings to the passage of time. Ozymandias is first and foremost a metaphor for the ephemeral nature of political power, and in that sense the poem is Shelley's most outstanding political sonnet, trading the specific rage of a poem like "England in 1819" for the crushing impersonal metaphor of the statue.

http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/shelley/section2.rhtml

 

[miraclefan]

That was precisely Dr. Manhattan's point at the end of the book. No matter how ingenious Veidt's plan was, it was doomed because it was short-term.

"Nothing ever ends, Adrian".

That is exactly the same thought I had I mean COME ON!! if the HORROR'S that where WW2 and the droping of two NUKES with very HELLISH results were not enough to make the world relize that war is not the answer, then I seriusly doubt a giant SQUIDDBILLIE wipeing out new york would.for being the worlds smartest man Veidt was just a idiot here

It's not stupidity. It's arrogance.

OZYMANDIAS by Percy Bysshe Shelley
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

The once-great king's proud boast has been ironically disproved; Ozymandias's works have crumbled and disappeared, his civilization is gone, all has been turned to dust by the impersonal, indiscriminate, destructive power of history. The ruined statue is now merely a monument to one man's hubris, and a powerful statement about the insignificance of human beings to the passage of time. Ozymandias is first and foremost a metaphor for the ephemeral nature of political power, and in that sense the poem is Shelley's most outstanding political sonnet, trading the specific rage of a poem like "England in 1819" for the crushing impersonal metaphor of the statue.

http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/shelley/section2.rhtml

This is all starting to make sense now WOW I am starting to see now why Alan Moore named this charactor's ( Adrian) hero identity Ozimandias! THANKS A BUNCH, Noran Radd! this has certainly been enlightining!

 

[Norrin Radd]

That is exactly the same thought I had I mean COME ON!! if the HORROR'S that where WW2 and the droping of two NUKES with very HELLISH results were not enough to make the world relize that war is not the answer, then I seriusly doubt a giant SQUIDDBILLIE wipeing out new york would.for being the worlds smartest man Veidt was just a idiot here

It's not stupidity. It's arrogance.

OZYMANDIAS by Percy Bysshe Shelley
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

The once-great king's proud boast has been ironically disproved; Ozymandias's works have crumbled and disappeared, his civilization is gone, all has been turned to dust by the impersonal, indiscriminate, destructive power of history. The ruined statue is now merely a monument to one man's hubris, and a powerful statement about the insignificance of human beings to the passage of time. Ozymandias is first and foremost a metaphor for the ephemeral nature of political power, and in that sense the poem is Shelley's most outstanding political sonnet, trading the specific rage of a poem like "England in 1819" for the crushing impersonal metaphor of the statue.

http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/shelley/section2.rhtml

This is all starting to make sense now WOW I am starting to see now why Alan Moore named this charactor's ( Adrian) hero identity Ozimandias! THANKS A BUNCH, Noran Radd! this has certainly been enlightining!

No prob.

 

[miraclefan]

It's not stupidity. It's arrogance.

OZYMANDIAS by Percy Bysshe Shelley
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away."




http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/shelley/section2.rhtml

This is all starting to make sense now WOW I am starting to see now why Alan Moore named this charactor's ( Adrian) hero identity Ozimandias! THANKS A BUNCH, Noran Radd! this has certainly been enlightining!

No prob.

It certianly adds more tragady to Adrians plan for world peace, Knowing that this PEACE won't last. Plus the fact he killed millions of people for nothing! And IF the truth WHERE to ever be publicly known, not only will Ozy be ranked up there with Stalin and Hitler, But the remaining MASKS who just decided to keep this secret INSTEAD of Bringing Adrian to justice will be hunted down as co-conspirators

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I totally agree. I mean... it would have been interesting to see how it would have played and it's possible that it might have gone over well. But there's also the chance that it was such a tonal change from what came in the first 90 minutes of the movie that they would have lost the audience the moment it appeared.

People can sit through Pirates and don't seem to mind the juxtaposition of 16 and 17th century piracy with sea monsters and magic.

Well there's a difference between Pirates and Watchmen. Pirates is high farce and Watchmen is a quasi-futuristic noir piece. You couldn't take Pirates much more seriously than you'd take a Naked Gun flick. I think they're aiming a little higher with Watchmen and a sudden shift in tone might not work for the movie. Hard to say of course because we'll never see how the original scenario plays out with an audience since they never shot it.

 

[miraclefan]

I totally agree. I mean... it would have been interesting to see how it would have played and it's possible that it might have gone over well. But there's also the chance that it was such a tonal change from what came in the first 90 minutes of the movie that they would have lost the audience the moment it appeared.

People can sit through Pirates and don't seem to mind the juxtaposition of 16 and 17th century piracy with sea monsters and magic.

Well there's a difference between Pirates and Watchmen. Pirates is high farce and Watchmen is a quasi-futuristic noir piece. You couldn't take Pirates much more seriously than you'd take a Naked Gun flick. I think they're aiming a little higher with Watchmen and a sudden shift in tone might not work for the movie. Hard to say of course because we'll never see how the original scenario plays out with an audience since they never shot it.

I dont know if I would say it takes place in a quasi-FUTURISTIC setting, I mean it takes place in a alternate 1985