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Watchmen: The Official Film Companion
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I don't think you're getting my point. I want Moore to eat crow. Not shit.
We live in a negative world where the naysayers loom large. We live in a world where people always want to tell you what can't be done. We live in a world where people don't even want you to try.
The people who like to say what if are always shouted down and called idiots.
There's been a lot of naysaying and poopooing for years about a Watchmen movie. A lot of folks who couldn't figure out how it could be done decided it shouldn't be done.
Moore's been pretty vocal about this and I want to see him proven wrong. Just because he created the comic doesn't mean he knows shit about making movies. Stephen King spent like 27 years slamming Kubrick's version of The Shining and yet when he had a chance to do it his way the results were beyond dismal. Unlike King though I'll credit Moore for understanding his own limitations and sticking to his chosen art form instead of foisting longer and more abysmal flicks upon the general public.
I think Zack Snyder figured out how it could be done and goddammit he's done it. On AICN they just announced that there are three cuts of the movie coming up. The theatrical cut. An extended cut. And a third cut that rumor has it includes the Tales of the Black Freighter and the squid ending.
Not only did Zack Snyder make the movie they said couldn't be done he did three cuts all in the interests of honoring the vision of Alan Moore and the fans who have helped elevate Watchmen from simple pulp entertainment to possible the most masterfully written, drawn, beloved and possibly overhyped graphic novel of all time. I gotta credit Snyder for that kind of dedication. That kind of love for the source material.
As for what I owe Moore and Snyder... Personally I owe them nothing. I bought my Watchmen graphic novel. I'm going to buy my tickets to the movie. I've already prepurchased the Motion Comic and the Black Freighter DVDs. I owe those gentlemen nothing other than a thank you for a job well done.
As a writer Alan Moore has my utmost respect and admiration. I hope someday I can be as good a writer as him.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with him about the Watchmen movie though.
As a director I truly admire Zack Snyder's stuff. DotD and 300 are movies I can just watch to death. I hope someday to make a flick as entertaining as any of his.
That doesn't mean the Watchmen movie is going to be good though. I hope it is. I pray to God that it is...
Just a couple more weeks we'll see if Zack Snyder was right and if Alan Moore is due a crow sandwich.
Then again he claims he'll never see the movie. I hope he has as much integrity as all the internet geeks who claim that they'll never see the moive. If so then we should be reading his review a week or two after the movie hits.
Somehow I doubt it...
Admiral,you're right there is too much negativeity in this world and I have a feeling that watchmen will be a suprise hit! Also I to respect Alan Moore as a writer he's writen a ton of great works! WATCHMEN, MIRACLEMAN, LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTELMEN, his now LEGENDARY run on SWAMP THING! I could go on! But as a person I think he's just tired of the fans. Also I think he hates the idea that the vast majority of the public thinks the movie adaptations of his works are an EXACT celluloid copy, which there not.
I think that is why he has been MORE vocal about his hatrid of this film then normal.
A thought occurred to me. The song "Land Of Confusion" by Genesis should be included in this movie. The lyrics fit the story perfectly. The time frame is almost right, it came out in 1986. Of course this is a alternate time line - their version of the group could have recorded it in reaction to the events in 1985. It would work.
I was floored when I saw the concepts for Nite Owl's costume. They're fantastic.
The Batman suit we're getting, on the otherhand...
Kirk, the Squid is not in any cut of the film. It's an acronym.
The more I read about the ending, however, the more I accept it. I still have problems with a few of the "subplot" insertions that Snyder reportedly stuffed into the film (a GAS crisis), but we'll see in March.
I'll admit, I'm a bit more excited about this than I was initially, and I may end up liking the film, but even if my plot concerns are satisfied, Batman (I mean Nite Owl), Silk Sexctre and Ozymannipple's costumes are still going to be giant piles of shit dancing across the screen.
The Batman suit we're getting, on the otherhand...
Kirk, the Squid is not in any cut of the film. It's an acronym.
The more I read about the ending, however, the more I accept it. I still have problems with a few of the "subplot" insertions that Snyder reportedly stuffed into the film (a GAS crisis), but we'll see in March.I'll admit, I'm a bit more excited about this than I was initially, and I may end up liking the film, but even if my plot concerns are satisfied, Batman (I mean Nite Owl), Silk Sexctre and Ozymannipple's costumes are still going to be giant piles of shit dancing across the screen.
I can kind of accept changes (updates?) to the constumes... Nite Owl in particular would have looked really odd on the big screen, but anything done differently in the ending will be worse, as far as I'm concerned. Although, I'm not going to lie, I'm going to see it - they already have my money, so my opinions make no difference right now.
I was excited that there might be a cut with the squid though - are we sure that's bullshit?
I was excited that there might be a cut with the squid though - are we sure that's bullshit?
Kind of.
It's thematic replacement will share the name. However, the mass of genetic bastardization is absent.
Look for the Film Companion and/or the Art of books on the film. The current suit has nothing on those, which are both true to the comic and fucking badass. I can't describe how great they are, and I can't figure out what kind of demonic-possession came over Snyder when he picked the final suit.
It's thematic replacement will share the name. However, the mass of genetic bastardization is absent.
Look for the Film Companion and/or the Art of books on the film. The current suit has nothing on those, which are both true to the comic and fucking badass. I can't describe how great they are, and I can't figure out what kind of demonic-possession came over Snyder when he picked the final suit.
It is nice that they managed to sneak the name in (and it makes sense even!)
I'm still on the fence if I'm going to see it first run though.
I'm still on the fence if I'm going to see it first run though.
GodThingFormerly
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It is? Fuck!
So... the entire (fake) alien threat angle has been removed from the film? That was pretty much the only element of Watchmen that even remotely interested me.
TGT
It is? Fuck!
So... the entire (fake) alien threat angle has been removed from the film? That was pretty much the only element of Watchmen that even remotely interested me.
TGT
That's funny, because it was the only part of the story that I didn't like.
I accepted Watchmen as a deconstruction of Silver Age comic books which always had the heroes facing invading squid-type creatures from outer space. To me the Watchmen squid was just a Moore take on classic DC space creatures like Starro.
Never thought of it that way, but you have given me something new to think about.
In any event, from what I understand, the spirit of the ending is intact. I don't think the squid would play well to a general audience, but that's just me.
I totally agree. I mean... it would have been interesting to see how it would have played and it's possible that it might have gone over well. But there's also the chance that it was such a tonal change from what came in the first 90 minutes of the movie that they would have lost the audience the moment it appeared.
Movies... They're difference from comics. In a movie you set up the rules of the world and you stick by them. In comics you can't really ever go too far and you can introduce alien squids and nobody blinks an eye because comic books are full of alien squids...
Personally I find the difference between the comics and movie mediums to be really fascinating. Movies are so much more delicate then comics are even though both are visual mediums.
And yet you can meet in the middle. I think that's what the Watchmen movie is trying to do. Bridge the gap between movies and comics to create a really unique visual experience. Unless they screw it up and turn it into a paint by numbers comic book actioneer like the last three Spider-Man movies. That would be a real tragedy. Well a minor one. A superficial one considering the state of the world. A trifle really. Well... Disapointing anyway.
Not that I think that's the case but still...
Movies... They're difference from comics. In a movie you set up the rules of the world and you stick by them. In comics you can't really ever go too far and you can introduce alien squids and nobody blinks an eye because comic books are full of alien squids...
Personally I find the difference between the comics and movie mediums to be really fascinating. Movies are so much more delicate then comics are even though both are visual mediums.
And yet you can meet in the middle. I think that's what the Watchmen movie is trying to do. Bridge the gap between movies and comics to create a really unique visual experience. Unless they screw it up and turn it into a paint by numbers comic book actioneer like the last three Spider-Man movies. That would be a real tragedy. Well a minor one. A superficial one considering the state of the world. A trifle really. Well... Disapointing anyway.
Not that I think that's the case but still...
Honestly the Squid o Doom was always the part of Watchmen that sorta made me go "WHAT?" Why not have it be J. Edgar Hoover? J.Edgar Hoover will come down and melt our brains. Its about as plausible as the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man being the harbinger of doom.
I like the new idea better honestly. You can do something that only ONE man in the WORLD can do, and the best you can do is find a way to make a giant telepathic squid kill people? A squid? A freakin' psycho squid?
"I'm Ozyfuckin'mandias and here is my badmofo... the SQUID! Fear ME!"
I like the new idea better honestly. You can do something that only ONE man in the WORLD can do, and the best you can do is find a way to make a giant telepathic squid kill people? A squid? A freakin' psycho squid?
"I'm Ozyfuckin'mandias and here is my badmofo... the SQUID! Fear ME!"
Honestly the Squid o Doom was always the part of Watchmen that sorta made me go "WHAT?" Why not have it be J. Edgar Hoover? J.Edgar Hoover will come down and melt our brains. Its about as plausible as the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man being the harbinger of doom.
I like the new idea better honestly. You can do something that only ONE man in the WORLD can do, and the best you can do is find a way to make a giant telepathic squid kill people? A squid? A freakin' psycho squid?
"I'm Ozyfuckin'mandias and here is my badmofo... the SQUID! Fear ME!"
I like the new idea better honestly. You can do something that only ONE man in the WORLD can do, and the best you can do is find a way to make a giant telepathic squid kill people? A squid? A freakin' psycho squid?
"I'm Ozyfuckin'mandias and here is my badmofo... the SQUID! Fear ME!"
Honestly the Squid o Doom was always the part of Watchmen that sorta made me go "WHAT?" Why not have it be J. Edgar Hoover? J.Edgar Hoover will come down and melt our brains. Its about as plausible as the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man being the harbinger of doom.
I like the new idea better honestly. You can do something that only ONE man in the WORLD can do, and the best you can do is find a way to make a giant telepathic squid kill people? A squid? A freakin' psycho squid?
"I'm Ozyfuckin'mandias and here is my badmofo... the SQUID! Fear ME!"
I like the new idea better honestly. You can do something that only ONE man in the WORLD can do, and the best you can do is find a way to make a giant telepathic squid kill people? A squid? A freakin' psycho squid?
"I'm Ozyfuckin'mandias and here is my badmofo... the SQUID! Fear ME!"
Okay, we get it. 
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