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Watching The Animated Series For The First Time

So i finished Once Upon A Planet. I liked it. A nice little sequel to Shore Leave. Nice to hear James Doohan as the planets computer. Also kirk finally talked a computer down without destroying it. Lol

I think it's better than the original episode. If you think about it, "Shore Leave" was kind of a shallow story. Nobody was in any actual danger, and the outcome was not affected in any way by the protagonists' actions, since it was just a deus-ex-machina character showing up to explain everything to them. But in "Once," there's genuine peril and the protagonists' actions make a real difference to the outcome.
 
I think it's better than the original episode. If you think about it, "Shore Leave" was kind of a shallow story. Nobody was in any actual danger, and the outcome was not affected in any way by the protagonists' actions, since it was just a deus-ex-machina character showing up to explain everything to them. But in "Once," there's genuine peril and the protagonists' actions make a real difference to the outcome.

You're absolutely right. The animated episode there was real danger to the landing party and to the ship. For a half hour cartoon they really packed in a great story, great dialogue and great visials.
 
Thanks to "Shore Leave" establishing the rules of the planet, however, they were able to tell a short high-stakes story because viewers who'd seen the original (and therefore the writers of OUAP) had a starting point. Those who hadn't seen SL got a quick primer in the basics of the planet's concept without all the flirtation/jousting rabbit holes people went down.
 
Thanks to "Shore Leave" establishing the rules of the planet, however, they were able to tell a short high-stakes story because viewers who'd seen the original (and therefore the writers of OUAP) had a starting point. Those who hadn't seen SL got a quick primer in the basics of the planet's concept without all the flirtation/jousting rabbit holes people went down.

Goid point. It was a real good follow up to shore leave. I really enjoyed the episode.
 
Just finished The Terratin Incident. I really enjoyed this episode. They had to do more fresh animation for the shrinking scenes instead of using just stock. Fun episode. Reminded me that we had a DS9 shrinking episode. This one is probably my favorite so far.
 
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But that's just it. According to Brody's account quoted on Memory Alpha, D.C. Fontana told him that Roddenberry rewriting the scripts was a routine practice throughout TAS -- as one would expect of any showrunner.
A little late but I'm just reading this. I really wouldn't put much stock in Larry Brody's memory. His book "Turning Points in Television" is filled with inaccuracies that I, as a mere viewer of some of the shows he wrote about, easily refuted. Such as stating the third season producer of Star Trek was Howie Horowitz, Hawaii Five-O's lead character was Jimmy McGarrett and that I, Spy ran four seasons.

I trust his word as much as Marc Cushman at this point. Stick with what you already knew about TAS as this point.
 
Shore Leave was a moderate story that thankfully led to this much better story.
BuT It'S FuN!

Honestly, this was never pone of my favorites, but fans latched onto it. It's goofy in execution with some great scenes but not much story. And the ADR is often terrible. Legend has it Roddenberry was sitting under a tree rewriting as they shot. It shows.

Great music and a solid fight with Finnegan though.
 
BuT It'S FuN!

Honestly, this was never pone of my favorites, but fans latched onto it. It's goofy in execution with some great scenes but not much story. And the ADR is often terrible. Legend has it Roddenberry was sitting under a tree rewriting as they shot. It shows.

Great music and a solid fight with Finnegan though.
I just hate the black knight scene with McCoy.
 
I might have to admit that I don't know what makes me like / dislike a TAS episode. I THINK that if it's a more "mature" episode that I like it. Albatross stands out as a "How did THIS get on Saturday morning?" And I LOVE it. But I could say the same about The Magicks of Megas-tu. And I don't like it. (Magicks seems like it's crazy out of left field but both this and How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth have a kind of 70's "hotrods of the gods" feel that even in early grade school I had seen or heard elsewhere.)

The Terratin Incident seems more "kiddie". To me. But I can't say what turns me off of The Infinite Vulcan. Maybe I just don't like Tiny / Giant stories.

I just know for a fact that The Counterclock Incident is nonsense. I don't care if it has the April's in it.
 
BuT It'S FuN!

Honestly, this was never pone of my favorites, but fans latched onto it. It's goofy in execution with some great scenes but not much story. And the ADR is often terrible. Legend has it Roddenberry was sitting under a tree rewriting as they shot. It shows.

Great music and a solid fight with Finnegan though.
Yes to music and fight scene. Also yes to Yeoman Barrows, and good outdoor location shooting. Imagine Shore Leave or This Side of Paradise shot on Stage 10.

I actually like, let's say the jogging scene in the great outdoors of Triskelion. Metamorphosis is more than carried by its writing, acting, and music. The Cage and WNMHGB create good illusions of a big outdoors somehow. But it helps that those are supposed to be alien worlds. When the story calls for Earthlike beauty, getting outdoors for real can't be beat.
 
I might have to admit that I don't know what makes me like / dislike a TAS episode. I THINK that if it's a more "mature" episode that I like it. Albatross stands out as a "How did THIS get on Saturday morning?" And I LOVE it. But I could say the same about The Magicks of Megas-tu. And I don't like it. (Magicks seems like it's crazy out of left field but both this and How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth have a kind of 70's "hotrods of the gods" feel that even in early grade school I had seen or heard elsewhere.)

The Terratin Incident seems more "kiddie". To me. But I can't say what turns me off of The Infinite Vulcan. Maybe I just don't like Tiny / Giant stories.

Well maybe because stuff like that wouldn't have been done in live action even with the technology or budget. Apollo notwithstanding (he was a god at least), humans/Vulcans growing to giant size or shrinking down to an inch or so was pure Irwin Allen and he pulled it off to good effect just once, but still the clothing grew with the man (Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea "Leviathan").

When DS9 did it with "One Little Ship" I hated it. There's a breaking point to my suspension of disbelief and those things do it.

I just know for a fact that The Counterclock Incident is nonsense. I don't care if it has the April's in it.

This episode bugs me for a number of reasons, not the least of which is Nichelle Nichols wasn't a voice actor and she sounds awful as Sarah - ruins every line of dialog for me (same when she voices anything other than Uhura TBH). Jimmy Doohan is a little better, but the "old man rasp" is grating. And I'll defend Shatner with my dying breath, but his "kid voice" is just laughable.

Let's see, stars are black and space is white, Arret is Terra backwards and ships literally fly in reverse. This is 50's DC comics stuff and what could have been a really cool story was done in by being dumbed down.
 
When DS9 did it with "One Little Ship" I hated it. There's a breaking point to my suspension of disbelief and those things do it.

That one actually made relative sense, since it was a subspace compression effect rather than the usual, physically nonsensical explanations for shrinking like molecules getting closer together, or the body losing mass yet somehow retaining enough neural complexity for consciousness. Isaac Asimov explained the flaws with those ideas in his novelization of Fantastic Voyage and his Fantasy and Science Fiction magazine essay about same, and concluded that the only remotely plausible mechanism for shrinking would be a dimensional phenomenon not unlike the explanation given in "One Little Ship." And that episode, like Asimov's novel, also recognized that shrunken people wouldn't be able to breathe normal-sized air molecules and would need miniaturized air as well. So I've always liked the episode for getting it right, or at least as close to right as such a fanciful concept could be gotten.

"Terratin," by contrast, was just ridiculous. It claimed that people were shrinking because of the epsilon rays tightening their DNA helixes, but DNA is only found in the chromosomes in cell nuclei; it's not the sole constituent of the entire body. Changing the shape of a person's DNA would only make it impossible for enzymes to interact with it and would cause cellular processes to stop working. The result would be death, not shrinking.
 
The Cage and WNMHGB create good illusions of a big outdoors somehow.
1000% yes. The only thing about WNMHGB is I would have liked to have seen Gary summon a more convincing forest. But that mountain backdrop from both pilots was truly a work of art.

Let's see, stars are black and space is white, Arret is Terra backwards and ships literally fly in reverse. This is 50's DC comics stuff and what could have been a really cool story was done in by being dumbed down.
Alan Dean Foster not only made the actual episode into a very small part of his adaptation but he retconned the whole thing into an alien induced hallucination, further rubbing salt into the wound by having said alien taunt Kirk saying "How could you have POSSIBLY believed this?!?"

Did any lit ever posit a work-around for Terratin?
That one I don't recall.
 
TAS on a Saturday morning was how I was introduced to Star Trek. It has been called the 4th Season of TOS because of all the TOS alumni who worked on it. It ranks high on my list of Trek series. All animation was clunky back then, so that didn't bother me. And at least there wasn't a cute mascot on the bridge...

TOS, TNG, DS9, SNW, TAS, VOY, STC*, PRO, ENT, DIS, STA

*Star Trek Continues
 
That one actually made relative sense, since it was a subspace compression effect rather than the usual, physically nonsensical explanations for shrinking like molecules getting closer together, or the body losing mass yet somehow retaining enough neural complexity for consciousness. Isaac Asimov explained the flaws with those ideas in his novelization of Fantastic Voyage and his Fantasy and Science Fiction magazine essay about same, and concluded that the only remotely plausible mechanism for shrinking would be a dimensional phenomenon not unlike the explanation given in "One Little Ship." And that episode, like Asimov's novel, also recognized that shrunken people wouldn't be able to breathe normal-sized air molecules and would need miniaturized air as well. So I've always liked the episode for getting it right, or at least as close to right as such a fanciful concept could be gotten.

"Terratin," by contrast, was just ridiculous. It claimed that people were shrinking because of the epsilon rays tightening their DNA helixes, but DNA is only found in the chromosomes in cell nuclei; it's not the sole constituent of the entire body. Changing the shape of a person's DNA would only make it impossible for enzymes to interact with it and would cause cellular processes to stop working. The result would be death, not shrinking.

Yeah. Terratin used cartoon logic for shrinking for sure. It made absolutely no sense but I guess they wanted something that sounded cool. Should have been easy for the writers to research it a bit even in that era. I haven't seen the DS9 episode in years. Ill need to watch ot again one day.
 
Well, the physics of shrinking in "Terratin" were no more absurd than the physics of accelerated motion in "Wink of an Eye," or the physics of "phasing" in "The Next Phase." For that matter, TOS gave us the giant Apollo and the shrunken Enterprise on Flint's tabletop. It's not about cartoons, except insofar as TAS's priority was to feature stories that couldn't have feasibly been done in live-action. (A miniaturization episode could have been done in theory, as Land of the Giants proved, but it would've been prohibitively expensive to do all the matte work and build all the giant props and sets, especially with the scale constantly shifting. LotG had the advantage of being able to reuse the giant props over multiple episodes.)
 
Speaking of TAS and Filmation, this month, Film Score Monthly will release The Filmation Music of Ray Ellis. Ellis composed the original music for TAS and other well-remembered Filmation series such as Shazam!, Flash Gordon, The Secrets of Isis, Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids, The Archie Show, Ark II, etc. To TV soundtrack aficionados, Ellis might be best remembered for composing the non-library cue music for Grantray-Lawrence's Spider-Man animated series (ABC, 1967-70).

43 selections from this 88-track collection appear to be a reissue of FSM's TAS anniversary soundtrack, so some interested fans (who bought the TAS soundtrack) might feel ripped-off in doing a double-dip on TAS.
 
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