...to bring together Picard, Sisko and Janeway and their crews together in one film? Kirk and Archer would be tricky, but you would think combining TNG with DS9 and VOY would have been popular.
Was there ever a serious attempt...
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Several years ago there was a rumour that John Logan had an idea of bringing the five Captains together for a movie, but after Nemesis bombed Paramount had no interest in the idea at all.
Brent Spiner has talked about a "Justice League of Trek" that he hoped would follow Nemesis. Featuring time travel. It never got anywhere. Then, the Romulan War film Star Trek: The Beginning, was greenlit and a first-draft script completed. Then, a shake up at Paramount saw that dropped, and JJ Abrams brought in to reboot Trek.
But almost impossible to work out structurally and logistically. Even the films with just one crew tended to focus on two or three of the regulars and marginalized the rest. Combining all three 24th-century crews in a single film means having to juggle over 25 main characters, and that would be prohibitively complicated. Many of them would have to be reduced to mere cameos, and would they even have wanted to participate under those conditions? Remember that the makers of Generations asked all the TOS cast members to participate, but most of them declined because the parts were too small.
I would have thought Avery Brooks would have pushed for a DS9 movie that could have featured a cameo for sure of any one of them except Kirk who got his silly cameo via sfx trickery, but that would have been pretty cool before the sets were torn down I guess. Sisko and Picard together would have been pretty cool because they worked well together and had great chemistry. Heck they could have went looking for Dax back in time or what have you and even include Janeway etc. They could even do it as a retropective tv movie of classic Trek revisited. They may even hit on an interesting premise that they could use as the basis of a new series that could pass the torch along to a new generation of underling characters if it's successful. Good idea, Toughlittleship. That is a name related to DS9's Defiant, isn't it?
Chris, Nimoy declined because the movie sucked. Just sayin'.
Chris, Nimoy declined because the movie sucked. Just sayin'.
Nah, he was quite happy to step away from DS9 and dabble in his other interests. Ever see the "Behind the Scenes" special they made between Seasons One and Two, hosted by Terry Farrell? Brooks was so against doing that, he vetoed the use of his name and image from the special. No surprise he didn't push for a movie at the end. Ratings were too small by comparison with TNG anyway, and once the complex sets were struck any likelihood of a DS9 movie vanished completely.
Nimoy declined because he said that the "Unification" two-parter of TNG had been a satisfying final farewell to the franchise, and that - as scripted - Spock in "Generations" didn't have anything substantial to do to drive the plot. As if to prove that, they simply changed "SPOCK" to "CHEKOV", and "CHEKOV'S DAUGHTER" to "DEMORA SULU" and they were set to go.
It's possible that Nimoy wasn't even shown the rest of the film at that point.
Nimoy declined because he's always been selective about the roles he takes, choosing them on the basis of whether he found meaning and challenge in them. He would've been glad to participate in Generations if he'd been given a substantial role that gave him interesting opportunities to develop Spock as a character, but just showing up for a few minutes and delivering a few lines of exposition wasn't enough to be worth the effort.
I cannot recall (but believe it was in a "Starlog" article) exactly where, but I do remember reading a Nimoy interview in which he states that he was offered the directing chores on "Generations" but asked for a rewrite as some of the scenes (the Data stuff, iirc) did not work for him. His request was not granted, and he wished them well and moved on.
This site does mention that he asked for a rewrite.
http://trekmovie.com/2010/06/12/ful...tar-trek-fringe-more-from-la-times-film-fest/
Sir Rhosis
This site does mention that he asked for a rewrite.
http://trekmovie.com/2010/06/12/ful...tar-trek-fringe-more-from-la-times-film-fest/
Sir Rhosis
If that is the Starlog article I'm thinking of, the scene between Picard and Data in astrometrics would have been Picard and Spock, although it might have occurred elsewhere in the ship, but it would have been Spock who helped Picard figure out the puzzle of the Nexis and Soran.
Problem there is Nimoy would have been getting Brent Spiner's scenes and screen time.
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As a separate matter, I miss Starlog magazine.
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Turning down money at any age is not easy but Berman did say Nimoy wanted to make changes to the script and he wished they had come to him sooner but Berman was unwilling to try to make a better movie or deal with Nimoy the writer/thinker. He said he didn't have the time nor probably the inclination to incorperate any of his suggestions as it would have meant money and as we know, that's all that meant anything to him. Nimoy did finally sell out but for a more substantial role and alot more money. Very logical.
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I would accept there's bound to be some inequality when considering that many series regulars, and just bring half a dozen TNG/DS9/VOY characters together who already have a history. Or for the ones who don't, but might make an interesting team - since they all serve in Starfleet, I'd suggest there's nothing unrealistic about their reassignment. Aboard an Enterprise naturally.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=5169374
Some characters are left outside that pick n' mix crew line-up, therefore get a little appearances in a setting they're best known for, and about as pivotal a role in the story as possible.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=5169374
Some characters are left outside that pick n' mix crew line-up, therefore get a little appearances in a setting they're best known for, and about as pivotal a role in the story as possible.
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We need there to be A Game Of Conns, featuring all five crews vying for supremacy.
Well, not really, but it'd be funny. Just need to figure out who'd be which House...
Well, not really, but it'd be funny. Just need to figure out who'd be which House...
This subject just keeps cropping up. Here's my two pence worth...again !
A time travel 'all working together' thing would imho just be horribly fannish and, er, crap.
There's a real desire amongst a lot of fans to see what happened after TNG, DS9 and Voyager. I'd like to see a several episode miniseries rather than a film as there would be more scope - each crew would be seen in their own time frame.
I'd suggest starting with Enterprise as a 'teaser' - finding something that would come back to haunt the Federation in the 24th century. Fast forward to THG / DS9 / Voyager era and the 'something' has popped up again requiring a response that involves cast and crew from the various 24th century shows.
At some point (or several points) it becomes clear that Kirk and co were involved too and sealed records show the original crews input. I'd like 2 flashbacks - one to TOS and one to the movie era. Obviously these pieces would need to use old footage but they would be limited in scope and with the use of CGI and some new dialogue from the surviving cast it would be possible to see Kirks crew in their prime(s).
Yes, I know it's still awfully fannish but it would tie everything together nicely ! Of course it won't happen...
A time travel 'all working together' thing would imho just be horribly fannish and, er, crap.
There's a real desire amongst a lot of fans to see what happened after TNG, DS9 and Voyager. I'd like to see a several episode miniseries rather than a film as there would be more scope - each crew would be seen in their own time frame.
I'd suggest starting with Enterprise as a 'teaser' - finding something that would come back to haunt the Federation in the 24th century. Fast forward to THG / DS9 / Voyager era and the 'something' has popped up again requiring a response that involves cast and crew from the various 24th century shows.
At some point (or several points) it becomes clear that Kirk and co were involved too and sealed records show the original crews input. I'd like 2 flashbacks - one to TOS and one to the movie era. Obviously these pieces would need to use old footage but they would be limited in scope and with the use of CGI and some new dialogue from the surviving cast it would be possible to see Kirks crew in their prime(s).
Yes, I know it's still awfully fannish but it would tie everything together nicely ! Of course it won't happen...
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