Was riker forced

[2takesfrakes]

But there was nothing established about Chef being counselor.

Well, in TATV, Deanna did note that whilst "there were no counselors in those days ..." the chef acted in that capacity, more or less. As the crew did with Guinan on the "D" ... and even Bones kind of acted in that capacity. I vaguely remember him discussing the psychological review of some lieutenant in "The Carbonite Manoeuver" that lost his cool.

 

[T'Arwen]

No one before Deanna ever mentioned anything of Chef acting as counselor. That's what I mean by not established. I might sound like the people who whine about how the Xindi are a middle finger to canon before none of the other shows mentioned them. But in other ENT episodes, Chef seemed pretty anal about his space. I doubt people would go to him over Phlox. Introducing something in your last episode seems like the opposite of establishment.

 

[2takesfrakes]

You don't sound like someone whining about "canon," to me. Entertainment is not a science. You know, I heard-tell one time that there are two greatest disappointments in Life: One is not getting what you most desire. The other is having obtained it. Or words to that effect - and STAR TREK is a good case in point. As isThese Are The Voyages. Like I said, even I, who enjoy this particular episode, take exception to certain things about it. But I appreciate that you never took umbrage at my viewpoints, otherwise. I really don't like typing out "arguments" on the internet, that's insane. I do, however, enjoy a good debate and I thank you for taking the time to do so with me, in this thread.

"It was ... fun."

 

[Terok Nor]

Do you mean “Archer's Theme”, because that was a wholly different composition from the title song. And yes, I liked it, too. But then again, I also kind of liked “Faith of the Heart”.

I thought it was just a different arrangement

Archer's Theme?

 

[T'Arwen]

You don't sound like someone whining about "canon," to me. Entertainment is not a science. You know, I heard-tell one time that there are two greatest disappointments in Life: One is not getting what you most desire. The other is having obtained it. Or words to that effect - and STAR TREK is a good case in point. As isThese Are The Voyages. Like I said, even I, who enjoy this particular episode, take exception to certain things about it. But I appreciate that you never took umbrage at my viewpoints, otherwise. I really don't like typing out "arguments" on the internet, that's insane. I do, however, enjoy a good debate and I thank you for taking the time to do so with me, in this thread.

"It was ... fun."

I'm interested in why people think a certain way, especially if they disagree with me. I get tired of seeing comments under articles (mostly those about politics) where some people aren't interested in any real discussion. Especially when they try to insert their views into an article that has nothing to do with politics. For the most part, it's pointless to try to change someone's mind. It just results in hostile shouting. Fortunately, most people here aren't like that.

 

[gblews]

Troi suggests Riker find diversion in a specific holodeck story to help put him at ease with the decision he knows he is going to have to make.

But be assured that I happen to agree with you, completely, that there's no logic to Riker's visit to the holodeck.

Uh, say what?

 

[Crow T. Robot]

Was riker forced into watching the theme song every time he fired up the holoprogram in TATV?

I'd hope not. <shudders>

 

[Lance]

No one before Deanna ever mentioned anything of Chef acting as counselor. That's what I mean by not established. I might sound like the people who whine about how the Xindi are a middle finger to canon before none of the other shows mentioned them. But in other ENT episodes, Chef seemed pretty anal about his space. I doubt people would go to him over Phlox. Introducing something in your last episode seems like the opposite of establishment.

I'd just notch up such inaccuracies to TATV being an inaccurate holodeck simulation videogame in the 24th century. I mean, we know they can pretty much change the programmes to do whatever the heck they want, historical fact be damned, so Riker probably just changed it so the holodeck ENT crew all confide in chef. And bare in mind also that Riker is a keen amateur chef himself (as seen in TNG: "Time Squared", badly ) and he's probably indulging in a little enjoyable roleplay there, too. It all just adds further proof that TATV does not take place in the same reality as the rest of ENT does, and that anything we see in that episode is not necessarily to be trusted as true.

 

[eyeresist]

But in other ENT episodes, Chef seemed pretty anal about his space.

In Silent Enemy, Hoshi said "I used to love to cook but I never get a chance to anymore, and the way that Chef protects the galley. One of these nights, I should fix something myself." Which is a bit contradictory, if she thinks Chef is territorial, but at the same time is contemplating popping in to make a snack.
Also, I do recall Hoshi was in the galley making soup for the episode Singularity

 

[at Quark's]

Well, it could be worse.

Suppose the computer didn't automatically switch into that 'objective mode' we're introduced to in TATV when it starts playing the theme song. Then Riker probably would have had to karaoke the song along to proceed

(Riker: 'Computer, skip theme song!'
Computer: "This work is protected from skipping chapters under the Right of Integral Representation of Artistic Holonovels Act of 2361" )

 

[Paradise City]

That last episode was very lukewarm and dog eared. Not much effort was put in to make Riker look his age. Sirtis used her real accent rather than her Troi accent, they misremembered the Pegasus episode, the stock footage featured the 3rd season with some crewmen wearing distinctive first season uniforms. I didn't like the holodeck direction they took it in but if you're going to go in that direction, nail it, don't compound the problems by doing a sloppy job.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Uh, say what?

Despite the seeming contradictions, I saddle my answer, sir!

 

[Lance]

That last episode was very lukewarm and dog eared. Not much effort was put in to make Riker look his age. Sirtis used her real accent rather than her Troi accent, they misremembered the Pegasus episode, the stock footage featured the 3rd season with some crewmen wearing distinctive first season uniforms. I didn't like the holodeck direction they took it in but if you're going to go in that direction, nail it, don't compound the problems by doing a sloppy job.

I get the vibe they were going for. Recreating the Enterprise-D sets was a real "kiss to the past" for the dedicated fans, and seeing Riker and Troi in their classic TNG S3-7 outfits again, and good old 1701-D flying across our TVs once more, brings a certain joy even now.

But I agree that the problem was that it was all just too half-arsed. They'd have been better off making it a brand new 'missing adventure' rather than setting it slap bang in the middle of an established TNG episode (whose events they contradicted anyway), and the effort made to recreate a few Galaxy Class Enterprise corridors, a small section of Ten Forward, the old TNG obs lounge, and the old TNG crew quarters all feels like it pales in significance compared to the absolutely stellar effort made to recreate the TOS-era Constitution Class in it's near entirety only earlier the same season in the mirror universe two parter. In any other season, them recreating so much of 1701-D would've felt really significant. But after "In A Mirror Darkly" so completely blew it out of the water, TATV felt underwhelming. Especially bad for a series finale.

Maybe if TATV had been a two parter too, and they'd had the budget to recreate the 1701-D bridge and engine room, and maybe employ a couple more of the TNG cast, then it all might have felt a little more 'special' than it actually does?

 

[gblews]

Despite the seeming contradictions, I saddle my answer, sir!

Not a surprise.

 

[Spot261]

Was riker forced into watching the theme song every time he fired up the holoprogram in TATV?

Only the once, Troi threatened to telepathically loop it if he didn't come clean about the Pegasus