In the movie I saw Luke didn't try to kill anyone's kids.
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In the movie I saw Luke didn't try to kill anyone's kids.
Or a clone of Luke
It’s clear you’re not capable of having a debate or conversation for that matter. It’s called an opinion. Don’t interact with me if I bother you so much!
You keep using non-relevant examples. We’re not questioning Darth Vader/Anakin’s character, we’re questioning the portrayal of Luke, so Vader chopping Luke’s hand off is irrelevant. It’s Luke who would never harm his family. We’ve seen what Anakin is capable of already. It’s the continued belief that his father isn’t all bad that made Luke continue to try and save him despite his father chopping his hand off.
I don’t think Luke decided much in that scene, other than to kill Ben, he got pushed away before he could act.
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He said he decided, so I guess he is lying?
Luke made a mistake, he was ashamed of it, scared of it even, and had to relearn somethings. This sin't taking away from the character, but expanding upon the idea that a teacher can still learn, that legends are flawed, and that mistakes happen.
Just because he's dead doesn't mean they can't bring him back. Hell, they brought back Obi Won twice after Vader killed him.
On that note: Call me crazy, but I interpreted Luke's disappearance and robe fluttering as a flashback. I think the moment Luke actually "died" was just a few minutes before he appeared to Leia in the command center.
No, he died after the battle with Ren. I don't think there's any other way to interpret it. Are you suggesting he was a Force Ghost for the entire confrontation?
He obviously was. We know this for a fact, because we see Luke "die" at the sweet spot at the Jedi Temple. The timing of the reveal would almost suggest that Luke was projecting his spirit across hundreds of light years just to help the Resistance, but he wouldn't have actually known to DO that unless he was already subsumed in the force and was everywhere at once at all times. So it seems like the sight of his "death" was actually a flashback, a bit of visual exposition showing that -- surprise! -- Luke was already dead and was part of the living force. if this had been a comic book, the caption would read "earlier that day..."
Nope. There are so many clues you're ignoring. When Ren sticks his lightsaber into "Luke's" chest, we see his physical body levitating and showing the strain of projecting himself so far. His projection disappears at exactly the same time he stops levitating, showing that was the moment when the strain was too great. He tells Ren that if he strikes him down in anger, he'll always be with him. How can you strike down a Force ghost? And one big thing you forget: Force ghosts always have a glowing blue aura around them, including Yoda in this movie. The "Luke" projection did not, not even in the dark cavern when he spoke with Leia. And why wouldn't he know where the Resistance was? He has an unbreakable link with Leia which should make it easy to find her. Don't forget that both Rey and Leia sensed his death the moment it happened, which was certainly not "earlier that day..."
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The thing is, your 'opinion' rewrites what appears to be the intent of the film:
Right?
You totally deserve it dude, you brought it on yourself and have only yourself to blame. (Wink Wink)
It's what you get for not sucking this movie's huge, hairy thumb.
Apparently, you chose to read my post in a loose manner, and chose not to read my subsequent posts.
Come on, you know you would love to be surrounded by Johnsons.
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I don't think so. Remember, also, that that Ren slices through him first and THEN tries to stab him, only then realizing he's fighting a ghost. Luke's final line "I will not be the last Jedi" coincides with Rey using the force to rescue what's left of the resistance, and then Luke calmly signs off with "I'll be seeing you, kid." What comes immediately after that is probably a flashback.
We've been asking that question since Obi Won "died".
Why would a projection not have an aura around it also? And if you can make the projection realistic, it wouldn't be that hard to make the appearance of your ghost equally realistic if, say, you needed to keep your crazy nephew distracted while your sister and the last hope of the galaxy escaped through the caves.
Leia sensed his presence had vanished, and probably realized he was already "dead." As for Rey, as far as I can remember she was a lot more interested in taunting Kylo at that point.
Hahaha you what? How does my opinion ‘rewrite’ anything? It’s clear to see you and 11Alive are incapable of discussing anything.
Stop quoting me, it’s annoying when I get alerts from people who have nothing constructive to say.
Well, if we assume a certain premise - namely, that when it comes to the incident in question and the different ways it's depicted, the third time's the charm - then what we have assumed the film to be telling us does not match your description of what happens.
He said he decided, so I guess he is lying?
Luke made a mistake, he was ashamed of it, scared of it even, and had to relearn somethings. This sin't taking away from the character, but expanding upon the idea that a teacher can still learn, that legends are flawed, and that mistakes happen.
A mistake isn’t going in to some ones room in the middle of the night attempting to kill them though (that’s more than a mistake, to me). It came across as a pre planned thought. Like he decided that killing him was the best course of action. I don’t believe Luke would do that n that is my argument. Whether or not this movie showed us that actually, that was the case, I cannot accept that to be true.
Again I use the example of a parent and their criminal son or daughter. The son or daughter could cause numerous crimes yet the parent would still believe that their child is good. They still believe that they will learn from their crimes and become good which is why they don’t shop them in to the police. Luke would still see the good in his nephew despite him having bad thoughts IMO.
Some parents, but not all. I think there's got to be a line somewhere where even the most devoted family member will eventually have to give up on someone.
I think the fact that Luke does care so much about his family and friends just means that he'd be more likely to do whatever it took to make sure they all were OK, even if means sacrificing one member of his family to save the rest. When he was thinking of killing Ben, he wasn't just going to kill his nephew, he was going in to prevent a future which would have threatened Han, Leia, and probably thousands of other people.
I think the fact that Luke does care so much about his family and friends just means that he'd be more likely to do whatever it took to make sure they all were OK, even if means sacrificing one member of his family to save the rest. When he was thinking of killing Ben, he wasn't just going to kill his nephew, he was going in to prevent a future which would have threatened Han, Leia, and probably thousands of other people.
It's gonna be a lot more painful to watch someone you know falling to the Dark Side, than to try to save someone you never knew.
I think it's pretty clear that what Luke saw was so bad that all he could think of was stopping it, even if he had to kill Ben to do it.
I'm thinking you must have seen some kind of alternate cut somewhere, because that's not how things played out in the version I saw. In the one I saw Luke had already stopped himself before Ben saw him.
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Why does my ‘description’ matter? We’ve all seen the film, make up your own mind, if you believe it happened differently that’s fine.
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