Yevetha
Commodore
The show became epic the moment they added Seven Of Nine.
Come on, Voyager was never to good.
Was it ever really possible for Voyager to be "Epic"?
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Come on, Voyager was never to good.
There's nothing epic about one unimportant ship with an unimportant crew and their internal problems.
At least in TOS, Kirk and co went around stopping Galaxy-threatening stuff and there was the fate of humanity in the balance.
In VOY, there was none of that. It just wasn't possible with their premise.
And there was also the DS9 problem, VOY's premise really couldn't compete against that show's epic war either.
But they still did, and they did it for half of the movies too (and no one complained).
Whenever VOY tried to do that, the story was always panned with the "They're too important and shouldn't be able to do this" excuse.
So it's no-win scenario, again. Tell no epic stories and the show is boring, tell epic stories and get panned.
Also, TOS was the first series so no one had any built-up expectations beforehand either.
Whenever VOY tried to do that, the story was always panned with the "They're too important and shouldn't be able to do this" excuse.
So it's no-win scenario, again. Tell no epic stories and the show is boring, tell epic stories and get panned.
Also, TOS was the first series so no one had any built-up expectations beforehand either.
Perhaps part of the problems VOY faced was it was the fourth show and the third to be set on a spaceship. DSN being set onboard a space station had a differerent premise. With another ship based show people tend to compare it with episodes of TOS and TNG, and some found the type of stories being told similar to ones that had appeared in TOS and TNG, only they found it wasn't told as well.
Of course likes and dislikes are subjective. I also wonder if viewing order of shows impacted on how a person percieved them.
for me it was TOS (thru re-runs of course) TNG, DSN, VOY and ENT.
Of course likes and dislikes are subjective. I also wonder if viewing order of shows impacted on how a person percieved them.
for me it was TOS (thru re-runs of course) TNG, DSN, VOY and ENT.
I have to agree with that. The whole "One ship" thing was wearing out its welcome by 1995 with two series about it already and another ship showing how a different premise in the same universe could be more grand and epic.
If VOY was about people on some alien starship that they didn't understand, or there was a bigger plot than "Find a way home" then there would've been something more to work with.
If VOY was about people on some alien starship that they didn't understand, or there was a bigger plot than "Find a way home" then there would've been something more to work with.
Shame the rest of the season was so bad it killed the franchise.
I don't think Voyager was any better or worse than TNG.
However, what made TNG "epic" over Voyager was the conclusion.
If Voyager had a more satisfying conclusion, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
A more satisfying conclusion would had made most forget the missteps along the way, instead of reminding many of all of them.
First & last impressions mean everything to how favorably TV programs are looked back on.
However, what made TNG "epic" over Voyager was the conclusion.
If Voyager had a more satisfying conclusion, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
A more satisfying conclusion would had made most forget the missteps along the way, instead of reminding many of all of them.
First & last impressions mean everything to how favorably TV programs are looked back on.
I disagree.
Things that made TNG epic were things like:
"I am, Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile."
"There are four lights"
Q
While the ending was good I struggle to remember it next to a lot of other things that happened. I actually remember Nemesis more than I remember "All Good Things"
Yevetha
Commodore
Even threshold?
Sorry which episode is that? :P
Hasn't that got the rare honour of being not classed as canon?
Yevetha
Commodore
But why? If only their survival had been written to be more of a continuos struggle, overcoming those odds could have been epic, at least IMO. "Importance", at least to me, means "importance to the viewer".
The Year of Hell was pretty epic, was it not? A season long YoH arc that they wanted to do would have been great.
Though I have no problems with them staying in one place for a longer time and say, building a Federation-like alliance to fight the Borg.
American history called folks like that pioneers and those like Lewis& Clark were epic enough to still be taught in schools across the country to this day. Janeway & Voyager are the Lewis & Clark of the 24th century. Wasn't obvious from the start that Chakotay was Trek's version of Sacajawea? If anything, getting lost for 7 years was the ultimate in-flight testing of what an Intripid class ship was designed for. Don't think for a second that once Voyager got home, scientist & engineers didn't run tooth and comb over that ship to get ideas on the next tech up-grades.
There is nothing unimportant about Voyager.
With the addition of that character it set up the Borg to be a reoccurring enemy starting with season 3 setting up much larger epic stuff.The show became epic the moment they added Seven Of Nine.
Season 1 had VOY getting their feet on the ground and the anomaly of the week for half the season and introducing 1 enemy in the Delta Quadrant.
check out this thread from over a year ago again.
Did Voyager's premise inherently hold it back?
I think the Emergency Medical Holographic program (EMH) getting the ability to leave the ship and go on away missions allowed that character to have some major plot decisions as the Emergency Command Hologram (ECH) due to the the 29th century mobile emitter technology. Having a character do epic things is one thing. Having a story become epic is another.
Hell no.
I may be the only person anywhere that liked Threshhold, but one word, just adding one word almost anywhere in the episode would have made it perfect, and that word is...
"Cthulhu".
or maybe a scene at the end with Janeway and Paris changing their lizard babies diapers which we see that they are keeping in an arboretum down on the lower decks.
