Was Hitler actually evil?
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"Evil" is an abstract concept.
However, I strongly disapprove of Hitler's goals, methods, and I guess also his existence.
However, I strongly disapprove of Hitler's goals, methods, and I guess also his existence.
I've heard different things, but I've read Hitler's favorite film was King Kong. a man of good taste.
Something tells me there is a you tube video that will tell us that. Or if there isn't there will be one one day.
I agree there are serious problems with cultural relativism, but it is often used the other way to justify certain things. Based on our current value systems almost every society in history can be accused of being evil including early America. It is not uncommon to claim you can't judge a society by current moral standards when that society is one people have a stake in building up as a good society.
We decided to give you 24 hours to clarify your comments regarding the alleged connection between progressive policies and Nazism, and - as expected - you sidestepped the issue. Besides the fact that the modern Progressive/Liberal connection has no bearing on the Progressives in the US pre-WWII, it's obvious that it was just a shot in the dark attempt at getting a reaction from your fellow posters. Fortunately people are on to your game now and didn't rise to the bait.
So, you've earned yourself an infraction for Trolling.
We had sincerely hoped that you would change your style of posting in political topics after the discussions we had with you a week ago, because we do feel that you contribute positively in some other discussions. It's a shame that you won't do that though. But you can't exactly play the victim as if you weren't given a chance to change.
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If Hitler had ignored the Jews and other "undesirables" and never established concentration camps, history would be far kinder to him. Whenever people think of Hitler they immediately think "Holocaust" "6 million Jews" "auswhitz", not invaded Poland, France and Russia.
Look at Stalin and Mao. They killed more of their own people than Hitler did, but rarely will you find people using them as a comparison to someone the person doesnt like. The tea baggers are perfect examples. They will equate Obama to Hitler, but I dont recall seeing any posters equating him to Stalin or Mao or even Saddam Hussein.
Look at Stalin and Mao. They killed more of their own people than Hitler did, but rarely will you find people using them as a comparison to someone the person doesnt like. The tea baggers are perfect examples. They will equate Obama to Hitler, but I dont recall seeing any posters equating him to Stalin or Mao or even Saddam Hussein.
In terms of pure human misery, I would say Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are in roughly the same league.
"Quite a few people" like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, people like that.
Hitler was someone who, like many, needed a scapegoat for his own failings and the Jews became his scapegoat.
Was he evil? How does one define evil? At the very least, under his reign, evil flourished and he did nothing to check it.
He knew of the various atrocities and did nothing, in fact approved of them. There are also some rather disturbing things about his personal life that have come to light and putting it all together, he was probably evil.
Ditto for Stalin. I'm not sure which was worse, they were both evil.
Was he evil? How does one define evil? At the very least, under his reign, evil flourished and he did nothing to check it.
He knew of the various atrocities and did nothing, in fact approved of them. There are also some rather disturbing things about his personal life that have come to light and putting it all together, he was probably evil.
Ditto for Stalin. I'm not sure which was worse, they were both evil.
Does that mean you are opposed to sending soldiers to die? Or sending them to kill other people?
Yes. That's the same thing as killing people who've done nothing to deserve it.
There's a universe of difference between soldiers killing soldiers in the name of protecting nations or ideals and killing people because you don't want their genes to taint you ideal vision of humanity.
Oh, for goodness sake. Don't you get my point? Here, in basic terms anyone here should be able to understand: SAYING THAT PREMEDITATED KILLING IS WRONG EVEN FOR THE "GREATER GOOD" OF MANY OTHERS IS INCOMPATABLE WITH THE VERY IDEA OF HAVING SOLDIERS. The comment made by Balthier is hypocritical and not logical. That's my point, got it?
Now, to respond to you: Have most soldiers done anything to "deserve it"? I'm so reassured to hear you think a soldier dying "deserved it". Do you have a son? I'll draft him into my army, callously send him off to die to test the defenses of EnemyNationLand, and then shrug it off. "It's not the same as "killing someone in cold blood"-he's a soldier, not "a person who did nothing to deserve it".
Plus, is not preventing the "tainting of an ideal vision" an ideal? Why is it okay to draft a load of young men and boys into a military, send them off to die for your ideals, but moan when people do esssentially the same thing for their ideals? These things are complicated, subtle, lots of different viewpoints and moralities.
Again, what I'm saying here- and you're missing- is that while people claim to follow such black and white ideas as "killing people is wrong", they in practice don't actually practice what they preach- and things are often very complicated.
Your point is almost self defeating. Stalin and Mao and Saddam all had purges inw hich they killed many many people. What makes Hitler different? Started WW2 (In Europe). And lost.
And they're generally one of 5 groups of people
A: Idiots
B: No longer post in here
C: Work for FOX News
D: A and B
E: A and C
Hitler also commited a whole lot of other crimes besides murdering the Jews; the Nazis' treatment of handicapped people and the Soviet POWs just as two examples.
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