Warped9's Concept Shuttle
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Wow... very nice progress!
Here is the last render I have of this design where I started working on the impulse engines detail. There is also a tweak to the detail on the forward part of the nacelles. To get the scale in the ballpark I wanted I basically built this around the familiar Class F design. The interior allows for an upright standing posture except when you get near the forward part of the cabin where the ceiling slopes to accommodate the shape of the exterior hull (and where you needn't be standing upright anyway) and there is a step-up for the pilot and navigator positions.
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Surely you mean that the later ST09 shuttle is reminiscent of the earlier TAS one.
Sorry... didn't know you can't link from dropbox.
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Seeing it like this really brings it to life and meshes with what I could see in my mind's eye as I worked it out. As details are added it looks more credible. And this is a good way of working towards what I have in mind for a "real" version of the TAS design because it isn't that much of a departure from this. And note that when I was designing this particular variant I was trying to be mindful of what could conceivably have been within reach for them to construct (assuming they had had the time and resources) when TOS was in production. I used the familiar Class F as a template of a somewhat simple design with distinct details to embellish it.
Hmm...in fact if this works out then just perhaps you might be interested in rendering my "real" versions of the "Mudd's Passion" shuttle as well as the aquashuttle? Please think about it for down the road.
May I ask what program are you using?
It's also apparent that I will have to provide you with drawings of individual elements as well as some cross sections for you to better render the parts and integrate them. These could include the aft access hatch, the longitudinal centerline, the warp nacelles, the under-the-stabilizer impulse units and perhaps some others.
Hmm...in fact if this works out then just perhaps you might be interested in rendering my "real" versions of the "Mudd's Passion" shuttle as well as the aquashuttle? Please think about it for down the road.
May I ask what program are you using?
It's also apparent that I will have to provide you with drawings of individual elements as well as some cross sections for you to better render the parts and integrate them. These could include the aft access hatch, the longitudinal centerline, the warp nacelles, the under-the-stabilizer impulse units and perhaps some others.
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What were you thinking of for pylons to attach the nacelles? Wide to give stability to a nacelle placed so close to the main hull, I think. (That's my only problem with this design - that it still violates the notion that those nacelles are dangerous and need to be kept far away).
Of course, Galileo (which Jefferies never designed in it's eventual boxy configuration with nacelles) violates that notion as well.
Of course, Galileo (which Jefferies never designed in it's eventual boxy configuration with nacelles) violates that notion as well.
^^ There are, of course, struts that affix the nacelles to the hull, but I'm still trying to decide exactly how they will look.
Someone upthread remarked about the vehicle's landing points. I don't think it'll be a problem particularly when you compare it to the MJ design and the three relatively small contact points it has. It's really the same with modern aircraft including large aircraft with the craft's entire weight sitting on relatively small (in relation to the size of the aircraft) contact points.
Someone upthread remarked about the vehicle's landing points. I don't think it'll be a problem particularly when you compare it to the MJ design and the three relatively small contact points it has. It's really the same with modern aircraft including large aircraft with the craft's entire weight sitting on relatively small (in relation to the size of the aircraft) contact points.
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oh come on . . . ya can't link it from my dropbox
here we go
That's odd, I link t images in my Dropbox all the time. Make sure it's in your Public folder and past the Public link in as an image link. That's caught me a couple of times.
. Warped9 has a sound design that works.
well I wasn't sure what sort of bandwidth/traffic allotments dropbox imposes . . . better safe than sorry
Here is a small update which I've already forwarded to backstept.
Here you can see the outline (in dotted blue) of the impulse housing under the stabilizers. In red you can see the outline of the middle hull between the sides. This is also an early look at the forward landing strut and the antigrav spars attached to the stabilizers. I'll probably play with them some more to get the shape just right and I'll be adding one to the forward strut as well. The idea of the spars is to try evoking the look of the TAS design yet without resorting to conventional looking landing skids.
I intend to draw and detail the warp nacelles and the impulse housing separately to make it easier to render them in 3D, but this way you know the placement.
The more I look at this thing the more I like it. Whatever the outcome I can already see tweaks to it for down the road, but for now I'll continue as is. I also like that it's only marginally larger than my Class F and thus could easily be accommodated aboard ship. I think it also manages to bridge the TOS design with TAS and TMP as well as the TFF shuttlecraft.
Here you can see the outline (in dotted blue) of the impulse housing under the stabilizers. In red you can see the outline of the middle hull between the sides. This is also an early look at the forward landing strut and the antigrav spars attached to the stabilizers. I'll probably play with them some more to get the shape just right and I'll be adding one to the forward strut as well. The idea of the spars is to try evoking the look of the TAS design yet without resorting to conventional looking landing skids.
I intend to draw and detail the warp nacelles and the impulse housing separately to make it easier to render them in 3D, but this way you know the placement.
The more I look at this thing the more I like it. Whatever the outcome I can already see tweaks to it for down the road, but for now I'll continue as is. I also like that it's only marginally larger than my Class F and thus could easily be accommodated aboard ship. I think it also manages to bridge the TOS design with TAS and TMP as well as the TFF shuttlecraft.
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I was questioned recently about an element of the design, most noticeable in the forward elevation. I'm referring to the small somewhat triangular shaped elements on the lower part of the nacelle caps. My idea when I first drew these was to go for something of an evolutionary design step between the nacelle designs of TOS and those of the TMP era. At the time I hadn't decided whether to detail those elements in something of a grille fashion (like the nacelles of the TMP refit E) or depict them as a familiar amber like glow of the TOS E nacelles. For now I'm envisioning them glowing primarily because I want to see what it looks like besides how I imagine it. I can always change it later if it doesn't work as I envisioned it.
Since this was supposed to initially be a live-action version of a TAS design and one the TOS production could conceivably have built (assuming the budgetary resources) as an alternative shuttlecraft I leaned strongly on the familiar Class F design as a starting point. From there, though, I did want to push the design a little further ahead. The nacelles are a good example. I could have just used a design very similar to that already seen on the familiar shuttlecraft, but I just didn't think it suited the overall concept I had in mind. Still, I did try for something that looks like it could have been fabricated on a full size mockup with relative ease.
Additionally I'd like to add that I think this works better than the second Class F3 alternate design I'd come up with, primarily because it doesn't look quite so derivative.
Since this was supposed to initially be a live-action version of a TAS design and one the TOS production could conceivably have built (assuming the budgetary resources) as an alternative shuttlecraft I leaned strongly on the familiar Class F design as a starting point. From there, though, I did want to push the design a little further ahead. The nacelles are a good example. I could have just used a design very similar to that already seen on the familiar shuttlecraft, but I just didn't think it suited the overall concept I had in mind. Still, I did try for something that looks like it could have been fabricated on a full size mockup with relative ease.
Additionally I'd like to add that I think this works better than the second Class F3 alternate design I'd come up with, primarily because it doesn't look quite so derivative.
really enjoying this 
I'm still not happy with the spars I've added to the stabilzers and front strut. I want something there, but I haven't hit the right shape yet. Part of the consideration is that I'd like something that looks like it could have been relatively easy to fabricate while TOS was in production. In the end I might just resort to what I think looks right.
That said I think I've pretty much figured out what I want to do in regard to the pylons attaching the nacelles to the hull.
That said I think I've pretty much figured out what I want to do in regard to the pylons attaching the nacelles to the hull.
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