Warpath Discussion Thread (major, major spoilers)
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ah...... gee, the turn some of our threads go through.
might as well bring it back on topic:
Just finished Warpath a couple of nights ago, got to agree with most of the posters here, a great read. Though I wasn't annoyed with the coma scenes or the Elias/Prynn scene as some of the posts here, could it be because I read this thread twice before I even started the book?
In the case of this book, the spoiler enhanced the reading experience, I was able to see and read all the hidden messages within the pages. Even knowing what will happen, it was very hard to put this book down, which is a testament to the writing. No complains except now I've run out of DS9 books to read. 
(and now to take it off topic
oh, while I'm at the topic of books review, finally finished The Art of the Impossible last week too, within two nights! only put it down the first night because it was 3 in the morning and my eyes just won't obey the keep them open command from the brain anymore. Why didn't I read this book earlier? oh, that's right, never have any interest in the Klingons. so, that's three for three: the three topics I had absolutely no interest in (federation politics, Ferengies, and Klingons) are now some of the best stories I've ever read, and some of the shortest time I've spent on books too. That guy just can not go wrong. and good luck with your current project!
:: read the previous few posts ::
ah...... gee, the turn some of our threads go through.
might as well bring it back on topic:Just finished Warpath a couple of nights ago, got to agree with most of the posters here, a great read. Though I wasn't annoyed with the coma scenes or the Elias/Prynn scene as some of the posts here, could it be because I read this thread twice before I even started the book?
In the case of this book, the spoiler enhanced the reading experience, I was able to see and read all the hidden messages within the pages. Even knowing what will happen, it was very hard to put this book down, which is a testament to the writing. No complains except now I've run out of DS9 books to read. (and now to take it off topic
oh, while I'm at the topic of books review, finally finished The Art of the Impossible last week too, within two nights! only put it down the first night because it was 3 in the morning and my eyes just won't obey the keep them open command from the brain anymore.
Why didn't I read this book earlier? oh, that's right, never have any interest in the Klingons. so, that's three for three: the three topics I had absolutely no interest in (federation politics, Ferengies, and Klingons) are now some of the best stories I've ever read, and some of the shortest time I've spent on books too. That guy just can not go wrong. and good luck with your current project!To David Mack, About Warpath
Like Rosalind, I too just finished Warpath and I have to agree that it is a great book. I could not put it down. You owe me a pair of subscrption glasses, which I did not need before I started reading. The depiction of Prynn and Vaughn I thought was touching and well-written. Specifically, I liked the fact that the author was conscious of the fact that these two people are fiery, duty-first, and somewhat on the rocks. I'm glad that the ending was not mushy and sappy and full of words, but a true catharsis nonetheless. This may surprise, but I enjoyed reading about the hunting of the "Cardassian Woman" the most- especially from the POV of the hunters. I found the description of the combat breath-taking and I had to slow myself down several times because in my own mind, everything was moving fast (and I was skimming over the words in attempt to dodge the next blade slash). Great job, Mr. Mack. I dub this work "Return of the Mack." For those of you who don't get it, google "Mark Morrison, Return of the Mack." The real question is.. WAS DAVID MACK EVER GONE???!?!?
Like Rosalind, I too just finished Warpath and I have to agree that it is a great book. I could not put it down. You owe me a pair of subscrption glasses, which I did not need before I started reading
. The depiction of Prynn and Vaughn I thought was touching and well-written. Specifically, I liked the fact that the author was conscious of the fact that these two people are fiery, duty-first, and somewhat on the rocks. I'm glad that the ending was not mushy and sappy and full of words, but a true catharsis nonetheless. This may surprise, but I enjoyed reading about the hunting of the "Cardassian Woman" the most- especially from the POV of the hunters. I found the description of the combat breath-taking and I had to slow myself down several times because in my own mind, everything was moving fast (and I was skimming over the words in attempt to dodge the next blade slash). Great job, Mr. Mack. I dub this work "Return of the Mack." For those of you who don't get it, google "Mark Morrison, Return of the Mack." The real question is.. WAS DAVID MACK EVER GONE???!?!?
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
^ Thanks, Rosalind and Shar for your comments. It's gratifying to hear from satisfied readers.
Here's an obscure tidbit for y'all -- the imagery surrounding Prynn and Vaughn's escape from their predicament at the end of the story is actually a visual representation of what many psychiatrists believe to be the healing process for long-term parent-child emotional conflicts. Specifically, the idea that parents pass on their suppressed depression and rage to their children without realizing it, and often the children don't know where it comes from, either. Part of the healing process, according to this school of thought, is that "the child must heal the parent" by first breaking the cycle of pain and rage. (In that respect, it's a very old story, which one can see echoed in the Luke Skywalker-Darth Vader storyline in Return of the Jedi.)
It's also believed by many psychiatrists that to cope with a genuine, chronic depression, the patient has to actually let the depression happen rather than try to suppress it by self-medicating -- whether with food, sex, rage, booze, drugs, or work, or whatever. In other words, to rise again, we have to let ourselves fall.
Okay, I'll stop now.
^ Thanks, Rosalind and Shar for your comments. It's gratifying to hear from satisfied readers.
Here's an obscure tidbit for y'all -- the imagery surrounding Prynn and Vaughn's escape from their predicament at the end of the story is actually a visual representation of what many psychiatrists believe to be the healing process for long-term parent-child emotional conflicts. Specifically, the idea that parents pass on their suppressed depression and rage to their children without realizing it, and often the children don't know where it comes from, either. Part of the healing process, according to this school of thought, is that "the child must heal the parent" by first breaking the cycle of pain and rage. (In that respect, it's a very old story, which one can see echoed in the Luke Skywalker-Darth Vader storyline in Return of the Jedi.)
It's also believed by many psychiatrists that to cope with a genuine, chronic depression, the patient has to actually let the depression happen rather than try to suppress it by self-medicating -- whether with food, sex, rage, booze, drugs, or work, or whatever. In other words, to rise again, we have to let ourselves fall.
Okay, I'll stop now.
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
David, I eanjoyed Warpath greatly. It was a fast read, but a satisfying one. I was confused by a couple points (cleared up by Jeremy, above) but that didn't take away from my enjoyment of the book.
My only (small) complaint regards the surgery scenes with Ro and Kira. You obviously put a lot of research into the medical procedures. But throughout the scenes I never got the impression Bashir and Tarses were treating aliens. To me, Ro and Kira came across as humans with crinkly noses.
Usually the various Trek series stated that however outwardly similar the various humanoid species were there were significant internal and physiological differences when compared to humans. While Bashir and Tarses would of course be experts when dealing with Bajoran psysiology, I would have liked some description about how they differed from humans: nerve regenerative abilities, organ placement, organs that don't appear in humans, that type of stuff.
David, I eanjoyed Warpath greatly. It was a fast read, but a satisfying one. I was confused by a couple points (cleared up by Jeremy, above) but that didn't take away from my enjoyment of the book.
My only (small) complaint regards the surgery scenes with Ro and Kira. You obviously put a lot of research into the medical procedures. But throughout the scenes I never got the impression Bashir and Tarses were treating aliens. To me, Ro and Kira came across as humans with crinkly noses.
Usually the various Trek series stated that however outwardly similar the various humanoid species were there were significant internal and physiological differences when compared to humans. While Bashir and Tarses would of course be experts when dealing with Bajoran psysiology, I would have liked some description about how they differed from humans: nerve regenerative abilities, organ placement, organs that don't appear in humans, that type of stuff.
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
^ I considered that, but it felt like it would slow down the pace of the story, so I chose to keep it simple. Besides, there is no canon evidence for particular differences between human/Bajoran physiology, and I didn't want to be the one to try and invent it out of thin air.
Glad you enjoyed the book! Thanks for your comments.
~ David
^ I considered that, but it felt like it would slow down the pace of the story, so I chose to keep it simple. Besides, there is no canon evidence for particular differences between human/Bajoran physiology, and I didn't want to be the one to try and invent it out of thin air.
Glad you enjoyed the book! Thanks for your comments.
~ David
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
I thought about that as I wrote my previous post, but concluded that "easy pregnancy" didn't equal specific facts about internal anatomy. But yeah, the concept makes my wife jealous, too.
I thought about that as I wrote my previous post, but concluded that "easy pregnancy" didn't equal specific facts about internal anatomy. But yeah, the concept makes my wife jealous, too.
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
^ Oh, yeah, it doesn't actually tell us anything specific about their anatomy, I just like mentioning it, partly because it was the only non-nasal physiological difference they mentioned despite being at that planet for seven years (in contrast to three years of TOS where we got Spock's physiological differences thrown in our face every other episode)....
^ Oh, yeah, it doesn't actually tell us anything specific about their anatomy, I just like mentioning it, partly because it was the only non-nasal physiological difference they mentioned despite being at that planet for seven years (in contrast to three years of TOS where we got Spock's physiological differences thrown in our face every other episode)....
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
Well, easy pregnancies/deliveries and sneezing instead of morning sickness.
Of course, in humans, labor and delivery are quicker and easier (relatively) if one has strong pelvic-floor muscles, so maybe Bajoran women just have lots and lots of sex to get those muscles in shape....
Well, easy pregnancies/deliveries and sneezing instead of morning sickness.
Of course, in humans, labor and delivery are quicker and easier (relatively) if one has strong pelvic-floor muscles, so maybe Bajoran women just have lots and lots of sex to get those muscles in shape....
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
Well well, look what I discovered last night...
Re-reading Tales from the Captain's Table, specifically Kira's story "The Officer's Club" by Heather Jarman, I spotted you sneaky DS9 folks doing the nearly undetectable set-up again.
Kira's story is set back during the Occupation when she was sent on a mission from the resistance. She got involved with another resistance cell not her own, and was tasked with tracking down a Cardassian Obsidian Order agent surgically altered to look Bajoran and infiltrated into the resistance...
The story was left ambiguous as to who the agent was or indeed if there was an agent at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was all intended to set up the reappearance of Iliana in Warpath, just the same way The Lives of Dax anthology was used to set up the reappearance of the parasites in Lesser Evil.
Sneaky bastards.
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Well well, look what I discovered last night...
Re-reading Tales from the Captain's Table, specifically Kira's story "The Officer's Club" by Heather Jarman, I spotted you sneaky DS9 folks doing the nearly undetectable set-up again.
Kira's story is set back during the Occupation when she was sent on a mission from the resistance. She got involved with another resistance cell not her own, and was tasked with tracking down a Cardassian Obsidian Order agent surgically altered to look Bajoran and infiltrated into the resistance...
The story was left ambiguous as to who the agent was or indeed if there was an agent at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was all intended to set up the reappearance of Iliana in Warpath, just the same way The Lives of Dax anthology was used to set up the reappearance of the parasites in Lesser Evil.
Sneaky bastards.
:thumbsup:
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
Yeah, I thought of that as well when I read that story. Very sneaksy of them.
Yeah, I thought of that as well when I read that story. Very sneaksy of them.
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
I just saw it as an allusion to what was already established in "Second Skin," not specifically a setup of upcoming DS9 novels.
I just saw it as an allusion to what was already established in "Second Skin," not specifically a setup of upcoming DS9 novels.
Re: To David Mack, About Warpath
Why can't it be both, hm?
Why can't it be both, hm?
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