Perhaps this would make more sense if you explained what you mean by "doesn't count." In what sense do you mean that the novels don't count?
Warp drive obsolete?
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If you ask me... if it comes from a legit publishing house, and it says "Star Trek" on it, and it's being sold for profit from commercial premises, and Paramount hasn't sued the author or publisher for breaching their copyright, then it ought to count for something, in the absence of contradictory screen material.
The word "canon" isn't inherently related to religion. That's like saying: "I never use the word 'glasses' because I think it's ludicrous to liken vision correction to drinking cups."
Yeah well I am?
I'm not really interested in what happens after one of the major planets randomly asplodes.
This argument has whirled round small pockets of the board for ever. The books have nothing to say about the screen productions. They are a separate entity in their own right. The question in the OP is did warp drive become obsolete at the end of Voyager and unless someone makes a show post-Voyager's timeline we will never know. Whatever happens in the books is irrelevant.
Gene Roddenberry said that the novels should be considered a "non-canon" supplement to the live action series. This has been the attitude of showrunners and producers since.
I personally take a selective continunity approach to them. If there things in a novel that I like and go along with what was established on screen, etc then I accept it as part of my personal continunity.
I personally take a selective continunity approach to them. If there things in a novel that I like and go along with what was established on screen, etc then I accept it as part of my personal continunity.
Well it's only natural that starfleet WOULD seek to use the information and technology gained by Voyager regarding QS or Transwarp.
Personally I prefer Transwarp over QS. Simply because Transwarp is the technology used by the Borg, plus the name contains 'warp'. Also both systems are similar.
Personally I prefer Transwarp over QS. Simply because Transwarp is the technology used by the Borg, plus the name contains 'warp'. Also both systems are similar.
This has always been true in Star Trek. I don't understand why this is a) a surprise or b) hard to accept.
someone made a movie set after Voyager's timeline though. Nemesis. so we do know: warp drive is not obsolete.
discussion over.
y'all can close the thread now.
It's easy to see how one could forget that Nemesis existed...
I'm not sure that it's hard to accept. I think everyone here knows that if they ever make another series or movie set in the "prime" timeline, that the producers of that will be under no obligation to use anything from the novels and will likely contradict a great deal of what has been done in the novels. That's fine.
But the original question was a speculative one. What happens to warp drive post-Voyager. And, yes, we do have one example occurring shortly after Voyager of Nemesis, but that's it. Beyond that one film, everything is speculation, and it was a question asking for speculation. So I don't understand why there's such adamant objection to fans using what happens in the novels as a source of possibilities for discussion as to what might happen.
There was a comment made that the end of Voyager kind of killed future speculation and then we went off on a tangent about "WHAT IS CANON?"
No reason people cannot pick up the original topic again and I don't see anyone objecting to that. Stating that what happens in the novels is in any way "official" is nonsense though.
Well, that's certainly true. I guess I just don't understand the big hang-up about what is or is not "official." I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here. The great canon wars are legendary around here.
But, as I see it, canon is only relevant if you happen to be the next person writing, producing, or directing an installment of Star Trek. Then you have to follow the ground rules that Paramount and/or CBS have laid down as to what is part of the canon and what is not.
Beyond that, it's all fiction anyway, and I am under no obligation to accept or reject any particular plot or story point, and neither are you. If I want to ignore a particular episode, or movie, what does it matter?
But, as I see it, canon is only relevant if you happen to be the next person writing, producing, or directing an installment of Star Trek. Then you have to follow the ground rules that Paramount and/or CBS have laid down as to what is part of the canon and what is not.
Beyond that, it's all fiction anyway, and I am under no obligation to accept or reject any particular plot or story point, and neither are you. If I want to ignore a particular episode, or movie, what does it matter?
I certainly did.
But wait! Which Admiral Janeway was it? The one before she changed the timeline or the one after? This could have an impact on rendering warp drive obsolete.
^ Ooooh! Now there's a possibility I hadn't considered. Maybe Nemesis doesn't happen after Voyager. Maybe it occurs in the first version of the timeline, before Admiral Janeway grew older and then went back in time to change things. Maybe after she changed history, her younger self never sent the Enterprise on that mission. And maybe, just maybe, Nemesis never happened!
You've brightened my day!
You've brightened my day!
she's clearly the one who made it home early, since NEM takes place in 2379 and Future!Admiral Janeway didn't make it home until 2394.
But that's the thing, nobody in this thread did say it was "official". I had the same feeling as CoveTom: mentioning the novels was just another form of speculation. I think the problem was Deckerd's reluctance to use the word "canon" and instead saying they "don't count". In a speculative discussion, they do count as much as any other speculation.
I really don't see the big deal over the fight about books being part of the official Trek lore or not. Since the first books came out they were not part of Trek, unless something about them gets mentioned on TV or at a movie. So until that time, they are their on lore, canon if you must, but the books are the books, the TV series'/movies are their on lore/canon and Trek XI is it's own lore/canon.
If you want an in universe explanation there are 3 times lines (books, TV/movies, STXI) and from time to time they cross; but otherwise they are separate and should be treated that way. To not treat them as independent universes would be a nightmare for any new series that might come along.
If you want an in universe explanation there are 3 times lines (books, TV/movies, STXI) and from time to time they cross; but otherwise they are separate and should be treated that way. To not treat them as independent universes would be a nightmare for any new series that might come along.
