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kirk55555 said:
I really don't think people would have been confused by Nightwing showing up in Justice League while a totally different Robin appeared on TT, but corporations always assume viewers are stupid (and I think even kids wouldn't have been confused by stuff like Nightwing/Robin). But, from what I remember Timm also wasn't allowed to use Ted Kord/Blue Beetle, for reasons that weren't explained.

Anyway, hopefully embargo's won't be as big a thing anymore, since the general audience for superhero things might actually get treated as smart enough to understand that there can be several versions of the same character at once.
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Timm couldn't use Hugo Strange either, because The Batman was using him. Even though Strange showed up several times on JL (non-speaking mind you) and appeared back on BTAS (where he uncovered Bat's identity). Timm reworked JL to have Batman match wits with Waller, instead of Strange.

On TT, despite the show being mainly adapted from Wolfman and Perez's New Teen Titans; Kid Flash and Wonder Girl never make appearances alongside the main 5 Titans. Kid Flash shows up in one episode, but the other Titans are MIA. The reason being JL was using Wally as their Flash, so TT couldn't use Wally for Kid Flash. Even though Rosenbaum (Lex Luthor on Smallville) was voicing him on both TT and JL. Donna's rights were tied up with Diana's. Allegedly it took some doing to get WW on the JL show. On Batman Beyond, Timm used Big Barda, because he couldn't get permission to use Diana. Also, Batman never makes an appearance despite the constant reference to him by Robin throughout the show.

It's like execs think the audience is stupid and can't discern these are different interpretations. Just like you said.
 
IIRC, didn't we see more X-Men in A:EMH than just Wolverine? Wolverine was the only character to interact, but I seem to recall seeing other X-Men, briefly, on a view screen. The X- Men were name-dropped at the very least.
 
Turtletrekker said:
IIRC, didn't we see more X-Men in A:EMH than just Wolverine? Wolverine was the only character to interact, but I seem to recall seeing other X-Men, briefly, on a view screen. The X- Men were name-dropped at the very least.
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According to Wikipedia, photos of Beast and Cyclops were seen in the episode "Infiltration," but Wolverine was the only X-Man to have a speaking role. (But A:EMH was in the same universe as the Wolverine and the X-Men TV series.)
 
M.A.C.O. said:
Donna's rights were tied up with Diana's.
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That's interesting considering that WG was created for the Titans independently of the WW title, and was always a Titan first. She actually owed her existence to a continuity mistake....The WW title had been running a "Wonder Girl" backup feature that was supposed to be the adventures of Wonder Woman as a girl. Somebody who didn't know that put her in the Teen Titans, and they had to come up with an identity and origin for her after the fact.

Suppose that legally, as a property WG might be tied to her roots as that backup feature, even though it wasn't technically the same character.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Suppose that legally, as a property WG might be tied to her roots as that backup feature, even though it wasn't technically the same character.
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Either way, she'd be considered a derivative character from Wonder Woman from a legal standpoint. Or at least under the policy DC tends to use as it tries to avoid paying royalties to creators of derivative characters.

Similarly, note how the credits to the Supergirl TV series say "Based upon characters created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster" even though Supergirl was created by Otto Binder and Al Plastino.
 
So Cpt Boomerang hasn't turned up on Flash, is that right?

Nerys Myk said:
Constantine's from the North, Liverpool to be exact. So, no Cockney accent for him.
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Thanks, I googled but couldn't find the info. Pretty sure the accent in the TV show wasn't Scouse. It was some weird mangled trans-Atlantic Scots.
 
eyeresist said:
So Cpt Boomerang hasn't turned up on Flash, is that right?


Thanks, I googled but couldn't find the info. Pretty sure the accent in the TV show wasn't Scouse. It was some weird mangled trans-Atlantic Scots.
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Ryan is Welsh, but was trying to sound Northern, IIRC
 
eyeresist said:
So Cpt Boomerang hasn't turned up on Flash, is that right?
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He's only been on Arrow so far, though he was mentioned in The Flash: "Rogue Air." He and the Suicide Squad did appear in the digital tie-in comic, but that's non-canonical (the same story included a different version of King Shark than we later got in the show).
 
eyeresist said:
So Cpt Boomerang hasn't turned up on Flash, is that right?
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No appearance by Boomrang on Flash yet. Another Spartacus alumni in the CWverse, and he's only made one appearance.

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Turtletrekker said:
Here's an interesting article about how Warner Brothers has (mis?) handled its franchises in the past and how it applies to the DCEU.

"What Warner Brothers needs to do to save the DCEU from its greatest enemy, Warner Brothers."

http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-warner-bros-needs-to-do-to-save-the-dc-extended-u-1786059387
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I don't buy the argument that the problem is DC went for team-ups rather than making a lot of stand-alone movies first. Wouldn't that mean that every movie with more than one character should have built up those characters in previous movies? The problem with DC is simply that the movies aren't good enough.

Also, including the upcoming Fantastic Beasts movie with WB's "problems" seems premature at least. The fact that Rowling herself is writing the movies should mean we are in fairly safe hands.

I do agree that the "this date or bust" approach is a mistake, given the messy edits of the theatrical versions of BvS and SS. Better to go with Valve's "when it's done" approach.

The idea of rebooting to Earth 2 is crazy but interesting to think about. The Flash movie would be perfect if they wanted to do that transition.
 
I guess I'm talking about the general philosophy rather than the specific never-actually-publish-episode-3 approach. ;)
 
eyeresist said:
I don't buy the argument that the problem is DC went for team-ups rather than making a lot of stand-alone movies first. Wouldn't that mean that every movie with more than one character should have built up those characters in previous movies? The problem with DC is simply that the movies aren't good enough.
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They're symptoms of the same issue. It's not about the order they went in; it's about the fact that WB just tried to rush into an imitation of what Marvel was doing, rather than starting with what was best for their own movies. They don't have a clear, guiding vision for the movies other than "try to copy what's worked before" and "overreact to audience reaction." Nolan Batman worked, so make Superman dark and gritty. Oops, that didn't work, what do we do? Oh, look, Marvel's cleaning up with team-up movies, so we'd better do a team-up movie and marginalize Superman in his own sequel. Oops, people said that was too dark, and we've got this other dark team-up movie coming up, but people liked the funny trailer, so we'd better recut the movie to be funnier! They're too reactive and directionless. The stories are too driven by outside considerations rather than coming from a solid core of their own. And that's why they aren't good enough.


Also, including the upcoming Fantastic Beasts movie with WB's "problems" seems premature at least. The fact that Rowling herself is writing the movies should mean we are in fairly safe hands.
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Yeah, I thought that part of the article missed the mark. Sure, clearly WB is just trying to copy past success and milk more films out of the Potter franchise, but that doesn't mean Rowling doesn't have a worthwhile story to tell.
 
Yeah, they just rushed into the whole thing way to quickly. It's pretty clear that they don't, or at least haven't really had the kind of plan that Marvel seems to have set up with their movies. I'm hoping that giving Geoff Johns more control over the movies means we might start to see more of that consistent plan.
 
One of the comments

Anyone else praying that Aquaman features a major plotpoint wherein Aquaman realizes his dad has the same first name as Batman’s (Thomas Curry - Thomas Wayne)?

Because if DC can make that happen, I’ll buy an entire theater worth of tickets.
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THIS
 
JD said:
Yeah, they just rushed into the whole thing way to quickly. It's pretty clear that they don't, or at least haven't really had the kind of plan that Marvel seems to have set up with their movies. I'm hoping that giving Geoff Johns more control over the movies means we might start to see more of that consistent plan.
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The beginning was rocky, but I am also hoping that with Johns at the helm we'll see a more consistent plan/universe from here on out.

I've always wondered how the DCEU would have played out if 'Green Lantern' was the hit WB wanted and also the beginning of their universe. That film was a lot more jokey and in tune with a Marvel film, I wonder if things would have been less grimdark going forward if that was the jumping off point.
 
Aldo said:
I've always wondered how the DCEU would have played out if 'Green Lantern' was the hit WB wanted and also the beginning of their universe. That film was a lot more jokey and in tune with a Marvel film, I wonder if things would have been less grimdark going forward if that was the jumping off point.
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Since Greg Berlanti and Mark Guggenheim were involved with that movie, I think that what we're seeing on TV now is similar to how that would've played out. Indeed, The Flash incorporated some ideas from the cancelled Flash movie that Guggenheim co-wrote and Berlanti co-plotted.
 
I could definitely see the inclusion of Deathstroke leading to some seriously awesome fight scenes in the movie.
 
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