Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[Paul Weaver]

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Thread drift happens. If someone wanted to bring up a new topic of conversation about WV, this stuff would probably fade to the background.

Thread drift is one thing, which is how it started out, but now it has zero connection with WandaVision at this point and there's no attempt to reconnect it.

Better idea is to move that whole discussion somewhere else.

 

[Turtletrekker]

* course correction *

Hey, did you guys hear that WandaVision was the darling of the MTV Awards?

It won best show, Elizabeth Olsen won best performance, Kathryn Hahn won best villain and the pair won best fight. Teyonna Paris was nominated for best hero, but lost that to The Falcon and Winter Soldier's Anthony Mackie.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/tv/wandavision-sweeps-mtv-movie-tv-awards-2021/?amp=true

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I actually hadn't heard that but then I don't follow the MTV awards. Nice to see the show clean up on that level at least.

 

[JD]

That's pretty cool. It's not exactly Emmys or The Golden Globes, but it's still nice to see the show get some recognition.
Sorry to go back to the derailment, but since these posts were in response to something I said, I really want to address the points brought up.

Wasn't the line about them putting out brush fires *during the time period immediately surrounding that movie* (and therefore not for the entire war)?

Don't recall with certainty, but that's the way I remember it. In any case, I know the novels found a way around all that (though I haven't read it all personally) and gave the ENT-D a respectable war record, so whatever their justification may have been there was clearly enough wiggle room for it to not just be on the sidelines the whole war.

I've always taken the line as an explanation for why we never saw the Enterprise during the war. The way I took it was that while the majority of the fleet was busy fighting the war, Picard and the Enterprise were kept back off the front lines, trying to make allies and things like that.

Didn't Damar mentioned that the Sona joined the Dominion, or making ketracel-white for them? So that placed Insurrection during the war

Penumbra was released after Insurrection, and the timeline of movies and the shows pretty much matched the order they were released. So Penumbra most likely takes place after Insurrection.

One of the tng cast says they were known to manufacture kw. They don't say anything about them being currently involved with the Dominion in Insurrection. And it wouldn't make any sense for the events of ins to even be possible if it was during the war and the Sona were a Dominion ally.

ETA: Weyoun and Damar do confirm the Son'a are a Dom. ally in Penumbra, I see. And they also say the Son'a will fight the Federation in defense of the ketracel facility, so that obviously can't be the same time frame as Ins.

Exactly. The Son'a working for the former enemy is fine (and indeed the act is described in the past tense); the Son'a working for the current enemy makes no sense whatsoever.

Even if they did make Ketrecel White, they might not have been involved with the war at that point.

There is no hint in NEM or elsewhere that Worf would ever have been in the Diplomatic Corps, or otherwise engaged in diplomacy. It's a career option suggested in the DS9 finale, but as far as we can tell, nothing ever came out of it.

It wasn't suggested, it was what happened, we saw him leaving for Qo'noS at the end.
Nemesis not mentioning it really doesn't matter since there is a lot of random shit that happens in Nemesis with no explanation. When the novels decided to fill in the gaps in Nemesis, it took 9 books just to get through them all.

Whatever the writers were thinking, they never said any things that would have placed the movie during the war, but they did say plenty of things that would put the movie after the war:

It was released during the war on DS9, and at this point everything was coming out in chrolological order, so it was set during the war.

- The heroes are not fighting, and don't want to fight: cowards, or postwar heroes?

They weren't fighting because Starfleet had them off "fighting brush fires".

- Worf is not fighting: coward, or a postwar hero?

That doesn't mean it wasn't during the war, there was other stuff going on at that time.
I'm not sure where it came from, but according to Memory Alpha Worf was on Mazar setting up a defense perimeter against the Dominion before the Enterprise picked him up.[/QUOTE]

- The Feds work together with people who once worked for their enemy.

All we know is that the Sona made ketrecel white, we don't know how involved they actually were with the Dominion.

- The Dominion is mentioned specifically as a past enemy, from "within the past 24 months", along with other enemies who did not make an appearance or reappearance within that specific and rather odd time window; having the movie take place two years after the Dominion War started would make it postwar.

They had been dealing with the Dominion for years at this point, so they could have talked about them in the past tense, while still dealing with them in the war. The movie takes place in 2375, which would place it towards the tail end of the war. If it was 2 years after the war it would take place in 2378.
I just checked the timeline in Voyages of Imagination, the official companion for the books, and that places it between the DS9 episodes Covenant and It's Only a Paper Moon. And while this was a companion for the books and not the shows and movies, it was still approved by CBS/Paramount and if that was not where the movie was intended to take place, they would have made them move it.

- No hero, sidekick or villain mentions an ongoing war, even though all would be motivated to, in this dance around the healing Fountain of Youth, where promises and insults fly, and other wars get a mention!

I think they only reason it wasn't mentioned, is because it was a TNG movie, and they didn't want to alienate the TNG fans who didn't like DS9, or the casual fans who weren't familiar with DS9, by tying into what was going on with the show at the time.

If somebody in the writing team wanted to make a wartime adventure, he or she got steamrollered in terms of the end result. Which is no wonder, since obviously the movie needed to stand as much on its own as possible, without close connections to specific other pieces of Trek the audiences might never have heard about.

Exactly. But that doesn't mean it can't have taken place during the war, it just means they didn't talk about it. It's a big galaxy, so there is plenty of space for things to happen during the war, that didn't actually involve the war.

 

[David cgc]

I just checked the timeline in Voyages of Imagination, the official companion for the books, and that places it between the DS9 episodes Covenant and It's Only a Paper Moon. And while this was a companion for the books and not the shows and movies, it was still approved by CBS/Paramount and if that was not where the movie was intended to take place, they would have made them move it.

Not to contribute to this derailment, but that's a popular place to put the movie in the timeline since Worf is only in the opening scene of "Paper Moon," and isn't in the following two episodes ("Prodigal Daughter" and "The Emperor's New Cloak") at all, which gives him plenty of time to be off the station having fun with his old crew.

Of course, the script assumes it takes place in DS9 season six, since Picard and Worf make brief small-talk about his marriage. That was trimmed for obvious reasons.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Even if they did make Ketrecel White, they might not have been involved with the war at that point.

All we know is that the Sona made ketrecel white, we don't know how involved they actually were with the Dominion.

This isn't true. The Penumbra quote clearly states the Son'a are AT the Dominion ketracel facility and that they will fight against the Federation fleet to defend it. They were openly Dominion allies.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hey, look! Elizabeth Olsen said that Wanda can travel in between universes!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screen...powers-multiverse-travel-elizabeth-olsen/amp/

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's pretty cool. It's not exactly Emmys or The Golden Globes, but it's still nice to see the show get some recognition.

The golden globes have been canceled after it was revealed, that its voting structure which consists of the 87 members of the international foreign press association, that not one of them was black.

There was also a Wanda vision skit called Leslie vision, where Leslie Jones got the treatment.

 

[Paul Weaver]

When is Strange 2 coming out

So Penumbra most likely takes place after Insurrection.

why would there be dominion negotiations?

WWLB’s treaty signing could have been weeks after the garak farewell scene.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

When is Strange 2 coming out

In March.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Hey, look! Elizabeth Olsen said that Wanda can travel in between universes!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screen...powers-multiverse-travel-elizabeth-olsen/amp/

How sleep deprived am I right now? I initially misread that to say that Olsen said she can travel between universes!

As for the actual quote, I'm not surprised. Even if she misspoke or pulled a Holland, I got the sense the post-credits scene may have hinted towards that. Maybe Billy and Tommy exist in other universe? Or maybe the sleep deprivation is talking again.

 

[Paul Weaver]

She'll be confused when she runs into her brother in another universe and he's the spitting image of Ralph

 

[Avalon]

She'll be confused when she runs into her brother in another universe and he's the spitting image of Ralph

Less confusing than the universe where she's married to the spitting image of her brother...

 

[Marc]

piece from Rolling Stone Magazine that it calls an "oral history" with interviews with the producers, writers and stars of Wandavision.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-...wandavision-olsen-bettany-hahn-feige-1155120/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That was an excellent read. While we knew most of that history, it was still great to see the whole process laid out step by step in the words of those directly involved (although it's a shame there were no quotes from Evan Peters). I also enjoyed reading about the various ideas that they played around with before deciding to go in another direction (and not just Dr. Strange's potential cameo). I particularly liked reading about the purposed pre-Hex storyline about Darcy and how she stumbled on the WandaVision signal before becoming involved with SWORD, but I agree with them it was too much of a detour from the main story.

One thing that stood out:

One mystery lingers: Woo is said to have arrived at Westview in search of a missing person. That person’s identity is never mentioned in the show — and it may still have significance.

Jac Schaeffer: I think it’s great to wonder about that. There’s not a lot I can say about it. I wish I could say something printable. But I love that people are speculating about that.

​

I don't know whether or not that's something they'll ever circle back to, but it's good to know that was indeed a hanging thread.

This also stood out:

Critics suggested that Wanda seems to have gotten off easy for essentially enslaving a whole town, but Olsen says scenes that didn’t make the final cut made it clearer that Wanda was escaping Westview, not just leaving...

Elizabeth Olsen: What we filmed was that she had to get away before the people who would hold her accountable got there. And where she went is a place that no one could find her. I know that for sure. Because she knows that she is going to be held accountable, I think, and I think she has a tremendous amount of guilt, and a new amount of loss.​

It is a shame the show wasn't clearer on this point because it does feel like Wanda got off easy.

 

[publiusr]

I must say I haven’t kept up with this thread…or the series….but could the 1950s-ish nature point to the Heroes Reborn timeline of Mephisto?

 

[theenglish]

Not really. There werent alternate timelines happening.

I must say I haven’t kept up with this thread…or the series….but could the 1950s-ish nature point to the Heroes Reborn timeline of Mephisto?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Something I just found out from a clickbait article.

Agnes’ house is the same house that was used in Bewitched.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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