Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[Turtletrekker]

This is side question, but when Captain America returned the Infinity Stones to the past, they weren't in the same "form" as in they left their pasts. The Mind Stone was in the scepter/spear form in the past, but he only returned the stone sans scepter. Same with the Space Stone; it was sans Tesseract. Same with the Reality Stone; it was not in Aether form. Same with the Time Stone; it was sans Eye of Agomoto. Didn't the other verses get "divergent" due to these changes? Maybe The Ancient One was the first stop, and she used the Time Stone to "repair" the missing pieces.

I think the Ancient One's objection wasn't so much about changing history, but that the physical absence of the Infinity Stones (or their constituent atoms) would destabilize reality on a fundamental level. It doesn't matter if the stones go back as a solid rather than a liquid, or floating freely instead of encased in some sort of tool. History will still proceed in some different way (especially for the reality where Thanos and his army went through a time portal, never to return), but the universes won't implode because of the absence of the stones.

David cgc is correct. The stones didn't have to go back to the exact same place and serve the exact same purpose as they did in the original timeline, they just had to go back to the exact time in which they were taken from to ensure the continuity of the new timeline.

 

[theenglish]

Question...if this is all going on in her head or in a "bubble" reality, Why would we see any scenes that do not involve her? There would be no other reason to show Vision at work or with the guys at the library. I know there will be cries of "Because it's a TV show" but I am honestly looking to have that answered.

Wanda can actually create "realities"--it is not just her hallucination or simulation. The other characters are actually living in her reality--at least the ones from the outside world.

 

[RPOW0614]

Thank you to everyone who answered my questions.

Not being a comic book reader and only knowing most of the characters from the movies, I am uninformed as to their back stories and their abilities. I will skim the Wiki histories of these and other characters for some info but I never want to read too much and possibly spoil the story.

Elizabeth is doing a good job Wanda and I would listen to Paul Bettany read a phone book.

 

[JD]

According to a recent interview with Teyonah Parris, WandaVision takes place "right after" Endgame. Which makes sense if this is all Wanda reacting to the events of Infinity War and Endgame.

 

[Anwar]

Hmm, then that means it's before "Far From Home" since that movie was supposed to be 8 months after Endgame. So they'd have a reason to have society and civilization back to normal after the Anti-Snap.

I mean, 8 months IMO is STILL too soon for everyone to adjust to the Anti-Snap but that's just me.

SWORD must have formed either during the 5 year gap then, because it's too soon to have been formed after the Restoration.

 

[Turtletrekker]

According to a recent interview with Teyonah Parris, WandaVision takes place "right after" Endgame. Which makes sense if this is all Wanda reacting to the events of Infinity War and Endgame.

I don't know how much stock I would put into her statement. I seem to recall either Kevin Feige or Amy Pascal saying in the run-up to Far From Home that it was going to open "minutes" after Endgame.

Hmm, then that means it's before "Far From Home" since that movie was supposed to be 8 months after Endgame. So they'd have a reason to have society and civilization back to normal after the Anti-Snap.

I mean, 8 months IMO is STILL too soon for everyone to adjust to the Anti-Snap but that's just me.

SWORD must have formed either during the 5 year gap then, because it's too soon to have been formed after the Restoration.

 

[The Wormhole]

I seem to recall either Kevin Feige or Amy Pascal saying in the run-up to Far From Home that it was going to open "minutes" after Endgame.

Well, if you consider the opening scene of Far From Home as part of Endgame on account of it being added as a post-credits scene in the late June 2019 re-release of Endgame, then that statement is sort of correct.

 

[Ometiklan]

So, I really enjoyed both episodes. I am not old enough to have seen any of the old sitcoms in first run, but i did watch a lot of them in reruns (Nick at Night, I think), so i found the references and pastiches, etc. to be very entertaining. Beyond that, I have really enjoyed Wanda and Vision more than I ever did in their MCU movie appearances. The actors are great and they seem to be having a lot of fun. I think there is enough in their performances alone to carry over most viewers who are not invested heavily in MCU lore nor are versed in older US sitcoms.

I think people need to just look at the first two episodes as Act 1 of a movie. When I think about it I wonder if maybe this is one case where dropping all the episodes at once would have been the better choice. This feels like a show meant for binge watching.

Jason

I disagree. Releasing the show like this has allowed time for people to converse about the show--to pull it apart and look for clues. I've seen so many threads and online posts this weekend, and clicked on them. I would never do that for a show released all at once. Disney is getting so much buzz that is only going to build over the next eight weeks. I am sure they figured this out with The Mandalorian.

I know I have appreciated the time and discussions I have read since the shows aired. Dropping them all at once is fine for viewing purposes, but I think it lessens the cultural impact.

 

[theenglish]

This is the first time in years I've been able to participate in a thread discussion for a show in this forum that wasn't on the CW, except for the Boys.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Well, that became downright creepy at the end. As a longtime comic reader, I squeed like a fanboy as Wanda and Vision argued over the names Tommy and Billy.

First mention of Pietro since Age of Ultron. I almost wondered if they were even going to acknowledge him as they seem to have given the speed powers to Vision for Tommy to inherit.

Wanda was downright frightening when her little bubble reality was threatened, both when Vision started to figure out that something was wrong and after Monica mentioned Ultron. With so much focus on the sitcom aspect of things, not enough people are talking about Twilight Zone aspect of things. Each episode has more of a "It's a Good Life" vibe to it.

I'm guessing next week will be when we start to get a few answers about what's going on.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Well, this episode felt like the walls are rapidly starting to fall down.
It clearly showed that Wanda isn't clueless about the nature of the false reality.
She definitely knows a lot about what is going on, she just doesn't seem to be in complete control of the "plot".
But she ejected "Geraldine" when she broke character and the other neighbors seemed behave more like all the actors in The Truman Show around Vision, barely keeing their roles up for his sake.

 

[Tuskin38]

Was the Hyrdra soap commercial a reference to Agents of Shield?

Coulson in the Framework was afraid Hydra was mind controlling people with soap.

Might just be a coincidence.

 

[David cgc]

Was the Hyrdra soap commercial a reference to Agents of Shield?

Coulson in the Framework was afraid Hydra was mind controlling people with soap.

Might just be a coincidence.

When the ad started, I was hoping that it'd be a commercial for a vacation in Tahiti (or, rather T.A.H.I.T.I.).

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The continues to be delightfully weird and it was no surprise that the cracks of the false reality widened more, even before "Geraldine" broke character and asked about Pietro.

I liked how instead of repeating the VHS rewind effect when Wanda rewrote the immediate past in the last episode, this time reality simply blinked back ten seconds as if nothing was wrong.

What I find curious is that Wanda didn't do the same to "Geraldine" when she brought up Pietro and Ultron. Perhaps it was because Wanda recognized her as an outsider (because of the SWORD necklace) trying to influence events, whereas Vision is something...different (some sort of recreation on her part), which she has greater control of wiping out memories and resetting time.

Was the Hyrdra soap commercial a reference to Agents of Shield?

Coulson in the Framework was afraid Hydra was mind controlling people with soap.

Might just be a coincidence.

Oh, nice catch. I forgot about Coulson's conspiracy theory about soap in the Framework. I like to think that was a deliberate nod.

 

[JD]

This was a great episode, and it looks like we're starting to see the bigger picture.
The sitcom stuff with Wanda's pregancy and her powers going crazy was pretty fun. We also got some more movement on the big picture.
It looked like Agnes and Herb were aware of what's going on towards the end of the episode, so I'm wondering if they've known always known and have just been playing along, or if they were somehow woken up. My thinking right now is that when Herb was cutting into the wall, that was him waking up. If Agnes is who and what people online think she is, then I'm thinking she's actually been awake the whole time, and possibly even woke Herb up.
One little touch I liked was how everyone's performances changed once they became more aware. They went from the over the top sitcom performances to a more subtle realistic performance.

 

[Reverend]

Was the Hyrdra soap commercial a reference to Agents of Shield?

Coulson in the Framework was afraid Hydra was mind controlling people with soap.

Might just be a coincidence.

There's been plenty of Hydra references already, and the significance only needs to be Wanda herself was a Hydra experiment.

Speaking of; while re-watching the first two episodes I noticed that aside from the obvious namedrop and squid-head logo, the watch in the ad also has "Swiss Made" printed on the face. I've often wondered if another copy of Zola was still out there somewhere...

 

[JD]

The only real problem I had with the new episode was that I couldn't understand almost all of the lyrics for the theme song. I might go back and rewatch the opening credits with the subtitles on sometime before next week's episode.

 

[kirk55555]

Finally, an episode that didn't make me want to break my TV. It still wasn't funny, but we got actual plot development. Neighbors acting suspiciously, one woman getting ejected into the real world outside of the town which apparently is a real town based on the fact that it has a sign in the real world. This is more of what I expected from episode 1, sitcom stuff but with consistent "something isn't right" vibes throughout the episode. It does help that this form of sitcom is less awful then the 50s stuff, but it was having the weird reality stuff all through the episode that made me actually interested and kept my attention. This is what I wanted to see in the show, and we're finally getting it. I can put up with bad sitcom stuff if its just part of the mystery of the show and not the whole focus, and this was the first episode to start to get that right, in my opinion.

 

[Turtletrekker]

All I can say to the above post is that there is a subtle art to building suspense. That art can be lost on some.

Anyway, what I really came in here to say was that I can't believe the show has Debra Jo Rupp in its supporting cast and they didn't include her in the episode set in the 70s.

 

[kirk55555]

All I can say to the above post is that there is a subtle art to building suspense. That art can be lost on some.

Anyway, what I really came in here to say was that I can't believe the show has Debra Jo Rupp in its supporting cast and they didn't include her in the episode set in the 70s.

And sometimes something is just shit, which might be lost on some people.