Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[JD]

At one point, there was talk of an end credit sequence for Endgame that would have teased WandaVision...

https://thedirect.com/article/avengers-endgame-post-credits-wandavision-scene

The best reason for them to have done this would have been to give Paul Bettany an appearance, even as a corpse, in the movie. It's a crime against the MCU that he was not listed in that big round up of MCU actors in the end credits.

https://thedirect.com/article/avengers-endgame-post-credits-wandavision-scene

It's a shame he got so close, but them missed out on that sweet, sweet Endgame money.

Thread...TLDR...

WTF! First it's The Dick van Dyke show, then it's Bewitched and now its going to turn into the Brady Bunch\Partridge Family next week. I really hope this is going somewhere because I have no f-ing clue as to what is going on. What's next? The Mod Squad? Mannix?

They're only doing sitcoms, so not cop shows.

The voice in the radio and the ad for "Strucker" watches on the TV seem to indicate that they are in some kind of "framework" VR prison for some reason. I hope they break out soon and start to do some MCU stuff soon.

One of Wanda's major powers in the comics is altering reality, there are at least a couple stories where she gets mad or has a mental breakdown and alters all of reality, so a lot of people are thinking that is what this is. The fact that red is such a prominent color, and then her rewinding things in Episode 2, definitely does seem to point in that direction. The big questions if she knows that she's doing it, and what lead to her doing it. The popular theory right now is that she has suffered a mental breakdown due to Vision's death in Infinity War and either accidently or on purpose, brought Vis back to life, and created this sitcom reality as a way to live the happy life they never got.

They said that each episode is going to go from decade to decade. We started in the 50s with episode 1, moved to the 60s in episode 2 (complete with how the ending upgraded to color like they did in the late 60s).

So going by that, episode 3 will be the 70s, episode 4 will be the 80s, episode 5 will be the 90s, episode 6 will be the early 2000s and episode 7 will be the current time period.

With episode 8 as the wrap-up.

There's 9 episodes, not 8, so I'm thinking we'll probably get 2 episodes of wrap up.

 

[Noname Given]

They said that each episode is going to go from decade to decade. We started in the 50s with episode 1, moved to the 60s in episode 2 (complete with how the ending upgraded to color like they did in the late 60s).

So going by that, episode 3 will be the 70s, episode 4 will be the 80s, episode 5 will be the 90s, episode 6 will be the early 2000s and episode 7 will be the current time period.

With episode 8 as the wrap-up.

Of course, the actual plot of how they're clearly trapped in some kind of illusion/alternate reality with SWORD trying to contact them and get them out will be interwoven with every episode.

My guess, Vision is similarly just something created from Wanda's mind and isn't really the actual Vision. Wanda will have to accept this with even "Dream Vision" convincing her that she must let him go so that she can truly be free.

Essentially his end is "I died once for you and for this world, I'll do it again if I have to."

She's able to leave, he fades away again and this Reality is undone and whatever bad thing it's causing is stopped.

Spoiler

From what I recall of comments from Kevin Feige at the Phase IV presentation, the whole "WandaVision" series was supposed to tie directly into the next MCU Doctor Strange feature film "Doctor Strange II: The Multiverse of Madness". So we may not see a complete resolution in episode 8 - just a 'hand off' of sorts.

 

[JD]

I can't see them not finishing up the story in the last episode, I have a feeling it's just that the movie will pick up with whatever her new status quo will be at the end.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Spoiler

From what I recall of comments from Kevin Feige at the Phase IV presentation, the whole "WandaVision" series was supposed to tie directly into the next MCU Doctor Strange feature film "Doctor Strange II: The Multiverse of Madness". So we may not see a complete resolution in episode 8 - just a 'hand off' of sorts.

Spoiler

I'm really not sure how this subject is any way a spoiler, but, whatever...

I doubt this would ever happen. Even Infinity War had a resolution, albeit bleak and later undone, and that one unequivocally started as the first half of a single film. Plus WandaVision was described in leaks as the start of a sort of trilogy, which definitely would not indicate that the story here will remain unresolved. It will simply progress (some aspects of the story) forward, like the Infinity stones in the Avengers films or Hydra in the Captain America films or Loki in the Thor films.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[Ssosmcin]

Yeah, I can't imagine the plot of this series won't be tied up by the final episode, but the fallout of the series will be felt by the Dr. Strange film. They can't expect everyone who goes to a Marvel film to subscribe to Disney + and sit through the wackiness of this series. So whatever is left over will have to be easily summed up in dialog. Hell, just picking up the story of (for the sake of speculation) a deranged Wanda Maximoff who Dr. Strange says is losing her grip due to the grief of losing Vision will be enough.

 

[JD]

Some of the stuff I've seen makes it sound like this will see Wanda start to lean more towards the magic side of things, so I'm wondering if Multiverse of Madness might pick up with her as Dr. Strange's apprentice.

 

[Jayson1]

Remember Spider Man movie is the next movie up and not the Dr Strange Movie. I think we will see the first fallout to this in that movie now. Seeing as how both movies are multi-verse stories I think we sort of now how this show will sort of end. What we don't know is what is going to happen to Wanda as a character, moving forward. I think this is also maybe something connected to talk about Captain America coming back and also Deadpool being part of the MCU. I wonder if Captain America will be in the next Deadpool movie.


Jason

 

[theenglish]

I don't think she glitched at all. Backing up your first point, she was eventually telling Wanda - even pleading to her - to "stop it" repeatedly.

A message from Wanda's subconsciousness perhaps?

 

[theenglish]

There's 9 episodes, not 8, so I'm thinking we'll probably get 2 episodes of wrap up.

It is supposed to have an ending on the scale of a Marvel movie.

 

[dupersuper]

Legion was the worst technically comic book based show ever created.

...I have no words.

She-hulk because she's not going to be she-hulk with the shitty showrunner and actress they hired.

Yeah, stupid...award winning actresses...

Awards mean nothing.

Grumpy internet rants mean all.

 

[RPOW0614]

Thanks to everyone that cleared up a few things for me.
I never read any of the comics, so I had no idea Wanda could go crazy and build her own realities.
This makes a little more sense now. This is her way of dealing with the grief of losing Vision in Endgame.

Question...if this is all going on in her head or in a "bubble" reality, Why would we see any scenes that do not involve her? There would be no other reason to show Vision at work or with the guys at the library. I know there will be cries of "Because it's a TV show" but I am honestly looking to have that answered.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Thanks to everyone that cleared up a few things for me.
I never read any of the comics, so I had no idea Wanda could go crazy and build her own realities.
This makes a little more sense now. This is her way of dealing with the grief of losing Vision in Endgame.

Question...if this is all going on in her head or in a "bubble" reality, Why would we see any scenes that do not involve her? There would be no other reason to show Vision at work or with the guys at the library. I know there will be cries of "Because it's a TV show" but I am honestly looking to have that answered.

She's not the only real person here. You could see a SWORD agent entering the reality through the sewer. We also know Teyonah Paris is playing Monica Rambeau, not 'Geraldine' and it's highly likely that 'Agnes' is actually a comics character called Agatha Harkness. In general, I would assume everyone there is a real person being controlled by/through Wanda's powers. Vision is the only one who quite possibly isn't real.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

... Vision is the only one who quite possibly isn't real.

I think a clue there is the Infinity Gem still on his forehead

 

[JD]

Yeah, she created the reality, but it's not just based around her. If you watch the trailer you a scene where Monica Rambeau gets thrown out into the real world, and we actually see her go through a wall of static. So it looks like Wanda has basically created a bubble around the town, and everything in it is part of the sitcom world, while everything outside is normal.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I think a clue there is the Infinity Gem still on his forehead

Maybe, but what looks like an infinity stone doesn't necessarily have to actually be one. Appearances are obviously not a reliable indicator here.

 

[Henoch]

This is side question, but when Captain America returned the Infinity Stones to the past, they weren't in the same "form" as in they left their pasts. The Mind Stone was in the scepter/spear form in the past, but he only returned the stone sans scepter. Same with the Space Stone; it was sans Tesseract. Same with the Reality Stone; it was not in Aether form. Same with the Time Stone; it was sans Eye of Agomoto. Didn't the other verses get "divergent" due to these changes? Maybe The Ancient One was the first stop, and she used the Time Stone to "repair" the missing pieces.

 

[David cgc]

This is side question, but when Captain America returned the Infinity Stones to the past, they weren't in the same "form" as in they left their pasts. The Mind Stone was in the scepter/spear form in the past, but he only returned the stone sans scepter. Same with the Space Stone; it was sans Tesseract. Same with the Reality Stone; it was not in Aether form. Same with the Time Stone; it was sans Eye of Agomoto. Didn't the other verses get "divergent" due to these changes? Maybe The Ancient One was the first stop, and she used the Time Stone to "repair" the missing pieces.

I think the Ancient One's objection wasn't so much about changing history, but that the physical absence of the Infinity Stones (or their constituent atoms) would destabilize reality on a fundamental level. It doesn't matter if the stones go back as a solid rather than a liquid, or floating freely instead of encased in some sort of tool. History will still proceed in some different way (especially for the reality where Thanos and his army went through a time portal, never to return), but the universes won't implode because of the absence of the stones.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Maybe, but what looks like an infinity stone doesn't necessarily have to actually be one. Appearances are obviously not a reliable indicator here.

I did think of that, and I'd imagined Stark or Wakanda coming up with something that could repower him after the first Infinity War. It just struck me that having an identical looking gem made it seem a bit more like a dream/hallucination or something Wanda conjured up. Happy to wait and see.

 

[JD]

I don't think this has been posted here yet. There was originally going to be a post-credits scene in Endgame that had Wanda opening up a "body bag drawer" containing Vision, as a set up for WandaVision. So it sounds like at least the original intention was for this to actually be Vision brought back to life, rather than being entirely created by Wanda. Guess now we'll have to wait and see if they stuck with that.