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Walking Dead The Ones Who Live

I liked the part where Picard turned to Rick and Michonne and sought their help in fighting the Borg, as the Borg are sort of like zombies.

Seriously, there's an entire forum dedicated to discussion about Picard and its third season. Let's leave this thread for The Ones Who Live.
 
I've enjoyed the first two episodes. Reddit is calling it the best two episodes of TWD ever. A little overboard, but only because the last couple of seasons of the OG show were good to borderline terrible.
 
I was expecting Ep 2 to basically just be entirely about Michonne's travels and then finish with the very end being what we saw at the end of ep1

So was pleasantly surprised that wasn't the case as a good chunk took place post episode 1. When she met the tinkerer/inventor guy I was thinking "Cool. This dude is gonna make some gnarly attachments for Rick's stump"

So much for that.
 
It's been..what..5 years since Rick left Walking Dead that I had to stop and think for a while who that was at the end. One drawback of TWD is the sheer volume of characters. I had forgotten certain aspects of their final scenes on the show. Great episode though.
 
I'm a little disappointed that they're wasting perfectly good characters but...well I guess they really just want to focus on Rick and Michonne.
 
I'm a little disappointed that they're wasting perfectly good characters but...well I guess they really just want to focus on Rick and Michonne.
Dani made a comment something like they just dont have time to develop a lot of characters with just 6 episodes.
 
I was expecting Ep 2 to basically just be entirely about Michonne's travels and then finish with the very end being what we saw at the end of ep1

So was pleasantly surprised that wasn't the case as a good chunk took place post episode 1. When she met the tinkerer/inventor guy I was thinking "Cool. This dude is gonna make some gnarly attachments for Rick's stump"

So much for that.



Why are we using spoilers? Christopher won't be waiting a week to watch it on demand, and @TREK_GOD_1 will give us a very detailed review soon.

So in response to above
I even had a scene written in my head for when Nat would come to Alexandria at the end:
Aaron or Jerry is walking with Nat into Alexandria
People are staring at Nat and whispering
N: what are you looking at? Never saw a little person before? AM i that disgusting
A/J: You might be smart but you totally go that wrong
N: What are you talking about?
A./J: remember Darryl, the badass we came in with?
N:Yeah?
A/J: Rick was like a brother to Darryl. He spent YEARS trying to search for Rick. Darryl's absolutely the best tracker we have known, and he still couldn't find Rick. You, meanwhile,found Michonne, connected her to Rick, and brought them BOTH home. That is TRULY impressive around here. ANd even if you DID find someone who was picking on you, you literally have an army here to back YOU up.
N: Really?
A/J: I am not sure what life was like for you before, but right now, you are are one of the most loved members of this community, even if you haven't really met anyone yet. So welcome to ALexandria!


I'm a little disappointed that they're wasting perfectly good characters but...well I guess they really just want to focus on Rick and Michonne.

yes, this is very annoying to me. Sure, Rick & Michonne are the center....but it would be nice if they left some of these newer characters alive...I mean, they just survived 10 years post apocalypse... and then they die like that?


SO my super brief review (no spoiler tags so turn away now if you need to)


I am very glad with this episode we saw Michonne take of the helmets. That confused me about what happened last episode as it seemed like she was just straight up killing them. That now makes what happened with Michonne and RIck make sense to me now.

Also, Okafur's death is also explained (what was supposed to happen) and from Michonne's perspective. So Kudos on that foresight.

Jadis' confrontration with RIck -- wow. That was epically villainous. So i am assuming we are getting some more flashbacks later on this season (and more Okafur??) , which explains Jadis and how she set up Rick to be safe in the CRM. They almost need to show some stuff from World Beyond as well, up the general audience (who probably did not, and probably will not, see WOrld Beyond) find out about Jadis' journey.

But i am severely disappointed in Nat's death. Yeah, it would be hard to sneak him into the CRM... and they definitely needed SOME kind of scapegoat (who would have to die). But it's crazy to bring on all these new characters and make them so disposable.


Definitely want to hear more thoughts form y'all on this so far. Oh, and once last thought.... not sure what they were thinking of when they had set up the movie plan. As a movie, these first 2 i don't think would have worked , and would have sank the triology. But as the 1st 2 episodes of the season... definitley intrigued...but again, i don't really need a TWD: Season 15 and 16 .... just make it limited , please
 
I think Terry O'Quinn and the lady from Lucifer's characters will last and be developed until at least episode 6.

I wasn't a big fan of Jadis on TWD, but boy was she great last night.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Rick's friend again. Although I think he will die.

I understand the early deaths but am disappointed. My one problem with Dead City is they got rid of everyone in that group so quick.

One of Dixon's strengths (one of many) was developing many interesting characters. And they all stayed alive with the exception of the boy's father. I am excited to have Carol back, but I hope they don't kill them all off just for more screen time for Carol.
 
The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live - Season one, episode 2 - "Gone"

SIX YEARS AFTER THE BRIDGE
Michonne: Michonne is more or less in custody of a caravan community, prodded for information by its leader, Elle. Michonne had recently rescued Elle's own sister & her boyfriend (Aiden & Bailey) who do not seem to weigh on Elle's mind. Elle tries to get specifics about Michonne's search for Rick, only to be interrupted by Aiden & Bailey, who demand Elle just give Michonne the horse she requested. Michonne mentions needed to to to a place called Bridgers Terminal (where Rick was last believed to be), but Elle warns her not to go at this time thanks to the mass migration of "The Wailing" (SEE NOTES). Michonne has no interest in remaining with a community with a policy of never stopping--even for members in need. At that moment, Nat (a little person) marches in dressing down Elle for not saving Aiden and Bailey. Nat offers Michonne her pick among the horses, despite Elle's protests.

Michonne, Nat, Aiden, Bailey and others: Before separating from the caravan, Michonne is outfitted with armor and rocket-propelled explosives--the latter used to distract the Walker migration. The scheme is only partially successful, as the flames from one of her rockets engulfs a Walker carrying filled gas cans that explode, sending Michonne's horse bucking & running off, sending Michonne for a painful landing on the ground.

Preparing to use her remaining weapon--her sword--against the oncoming Walkers, she's saved by two purple gas / explosions which distract the Walkers into two directions, opening up a clear path to her destination. The explosions were courtesy of Nat, who decided--along with Aiden, Bailey and others--to ditch Elle's caravan in favor of accompanying Michonne.

We learn Nat--thanks to a troubled childhood of pyromania and an unexpectedly caring stepfather, channeled his issues into being an expert on burning and building things, which he's used to keep the caravan safe. Aiden happens to be pregnant, but would rather follow Michonne just to see her reunion with Rick than take Michonne's offer to head to Alexandria (yeah, you can guess how that decision will turn out).

Michonne, Nat and No One Else: While chatting it up on a random city street, a CRM helicopter flies over the caravan, turns, then launches chlorine gas rockets into the group. As yellow, corrosive gas covers several blocks, Michonne--barely conscious--slashes her way past now reanimated caravan members to find Nat, who picks a lock to a department store in the nick of time. With Aiden and Bailey in tow, the quartet are edging near full-respiratory arrest, with blood running from their noses. Michonne sends Bailey to find supplies to help the unconscious Aiden, not before warning him not to fall asleep next to her...

Michonne finds several tanks of oxygen (Plot Convenience 101, Part 1) and wheels them back to Aiden, but discovers Aiden has died--and reanimated, pulling against the makeshift restraints holding her to a bed (SEE NOTES). Michonne kills the Aiden-Walker, then searches for Bailey. She finds him, clawing at a display counter with its surface set on fire (SEE NOTES). Bailey turns to face Michonne, revealing he too has died and reanimated. Michonne kills Bailey, spotting Nat hiding behind the counter.

Michonne, Nat and No One Else: Treating themselves to oxygen, it takes days (or weeks) for the duo to recover, pack up their gear (using a Walker to pull their wagon of supplies), and make their way to Bridgers Terminal, where the only thing Michonne finds is an abandoned station, the partially capsized hulk of an ocean liner...and several piles of burned bodies. Michonne picks through the bodies, grimly thinking Rick might be among the dead, but the corpses are beyond identification. Nat tries to comfort a sobbing, defeated Michonne, telling her its okay to return to Alexandria, yet still believe Rick is still out there in the world, even if he's dead.

Michonne now believes Rick is dead, and plans to take Nat's advice.

NOW
The reunion of Rick and Michonne - expanded: Michonne and Nat spot a CRM helicopter approaching; considering their last encounter with the organization, its no surprise Nat loads his rocket device and fires right at the helicopter--its first strike considered a dud (in actuality, its the rocket that killed Okafor). The second rocket disables the helicopter, forcing a crash landing.

Rick orders the surviving soldiers to prepare to engage the enemy, but they are hit by another rocket, and those who were not killed in the blast have their throats cut by a vengeful Michonne, who sees flashes of Aiden, Bailey...and Rick.

The last CRM survivor crawls to retrieve his rifle, but is disarmed and kicked to the ground by Michonne; as she removes the man's mask to cut his throat, the man is revealed to be Rick. Michonne stumbles backward, not believing her eyes. For his part, Rick stares in shock, unable to utter a word. The two--breaking down--kiss after what may have felt like an eternity for both. Rick tells Michonne he's not with the CRM (when only moments ago, he affirmed his commitment to Okafor).

Nat--cheerfully walking toward the couple--is shot in the back by one of the surviving CRM soldiers. Heartbroken, Michonne cradles the man in his last moments.

Michonne is ready to pick up and return home with Rick, but the moment more CRM helicopters are heard in the distance, Rick quickly tells Michonne to change her name, say she was from a small, fallen community (IOW, never exhibit her strong, leadership qualities) and never refer to the dead as "walkers", since Rick was known to use that name,and obviously, that would tip off the CRM. Rick places the katana in Nat's hand, laying the blame for the CRM soldier's deaths on a dead man. As the CRM helicopters land, Rick pretends to capture Michonne, and soon, they're whisked away to the central CRM base.

Rick, Michonne and the CRM: Michonne--posing as "Dana", is subjected to a videotaped interrogation, which she plays effectively, claiming a place like the CRM--a palce she's told she can never leave--is what she's searched for. Later, Michonne is given a CRM Consignee jacket in preparation for the Walker wall detail. In time, she has a rendezvous with Rick, but finally notices his artificial hand; Rick explains he lost it during one of the "last times" he tried to escape. Michonne frowns at the statement, as it meant Rick--at some point--gave up trying to go home.

Rick asks if Judith is okay, leading Michonne to smile, saying "she's..us", but will only tell him more once they escape. Michonne recounts how the CRM ruthlessly kills people, which Rick quickly says he plays no role in, and much to Michonne's disappointment, Rick adds that they cannot stop the CRM, and if they tried, they would never leave alive.

Michonne and Rick part company for the moment, giving Michonne time to study the incredibly large military capabilities of the CRM. The sight makes her more determined to take down the organization, while she flick's Nat's lighter on...

Rick and Jadis: Returning to his apartment, Rick is half-startled by the presence of Jadis, who gets right to the point: she's on an investigation, but will keep this conversation between the two, as they have in the past (SEE NOTES).

Jadis:"It's amazing what's happened. Truly...amazing. I mean, in a world where most people are dead, the living can continue to bump into each other--I can see that, but still... She found you. If anyone could, she could. She was with him...the little one... I mean of course, it was her sword, but i'm keeping it off the books. Just up here (pointing to her head)."

"This doesn't fall under our longstanding deal (SEE NOTES). You have to know, that if you try to escape with her, I will make sure that all those people that you love die--including a few that I like very much. You have to know that..and certainly you do.I have to do things like that. My hands are already covered in blood--they can't get any bloodier. So...I have to ask you this question..and I'm sorry for the language, but, you've heard a lot of language from me--yes, yes, yes! Rick, what the fuck are you doing?"

Rick continues to stare, not responding to any of Jadis' questions or threats.

NOTES:
Trouble in paradise? Michonne views Rick as a broken man--not quite as bad as his psychological state in the moments after Negan's line-up, but it seems clear to Michonne that Rick has a nervous, fearful air about him. All she sees is a large organization that needs to fall, but I would not be surprised if she plots behind Rick's back.

Jadis' "longstanding deal" with Rick? One wonders what their deal is, and if it was struck after Rick made his last escape attempt (which would be a few years ago). Moreover, Jadis' threat against Rick's loved ones inspires a question: although Rick is almost completely unaware of the sweeping changes / expansion of his community (i.e., the incorporation / expansion of the Commonwealth), unless Jadis and the CRM monitored the goings-on of Rick's people, including their connection to other communities, they'd be in for a shock to act on Jadis' threat only to discover a massive collective of organizations like the Commonwealth. Yes, the CRM has slaughtered entire cities' worth of people, but were any as well armed as the Commonwealth? Further, up to TWD's series finale, audiences still do not know the extent (related to defense) of the Commonweath's partner cities. It would be foolish to underestimate any community's resources and methods, all to silence Rick and Michonne.

If there's one TWD showrunner habit i've grown tired of, its the introduction of characters who all give information dumps, are presented as appealing, and would seem to have some hope for the future, only to end up dead in the episode of their introduction. The entire caravan community / Aiden / Bailey / Nat were padded as if they were going to last, but the showrunners have played this hand so much, that you just counted the seconds until they were killed off.

The caravan refers to the Walkers as "The Wailing". Hard to keep count of the many names for the reanimated corpses TWD series have created over the past 14 years.

STICKY FINGERED WRITERS:
The pregnant Aiden tied to the bed as she reanimates was a direct swipe from Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake (2004), where the Luda character--also pregnant was tied to a bed to prevent her from harming her husband while he attempted to save their unborn child. This was not the first time TWD series borrowed / swiped from that influential zombie film.

Nat setting a counter on fire as a barrier was a tactic used in Shaun of the Dead (also 2004).

Next: "Bye" - Thorne attempts to recruit and train Michonne. You'd have to guess Michonne will double-deal Thorne and upend Okafor's plans for change, and the Beale leadership, whether Rick is on board or not.

GRADE: B.
 
Yes, the CRM has slaughtered entire cities' worth of people, but were any as well armed as the Commonwealth?
Although, on the other hand, we've seen no indication the Commonwealth possesses any kind of air defenses, be it aircraft of their own or some manner of surface to air weaponry. So if the CRM sent in a few helicopters, there'd be little to Commonwealth could do to protect themselves from aerial attack.
 
They aren't really explaining why the CRM is so intent on killing other survivors and destroying other major settlements, beyond empty statements like "It drains our resources" or "those places are inevitably going to be overrun anyways".

At least with the Governor it was made clear he was just a power tripping psychopath, but he was just one tiny dictator in one small town.
 
They aren't really explaining why the CRM is so intent on killing other survivors and destroying other major settlements, beyond empty statements like "It drains our resources" or "those places are inevitably going to be overrun anyways".

At least with the Governor it was made clear he was just a power tripping psychopath, but he was just one tiny dictator in one small town.

Same set of survival methods: whether it was The Governor killing National Guardsmen (and others who had their heads added to his aquariums), or attempting to kill Michonne, any external force is viewed as a threat that would drain resources, or pose a threat to the existing leadership. The CRM and Dead City's Croat all share that same, hyper-survivalist belief / method.

Although, on the other hand, we've seen no indication the Commonwealth possesses any kind of air defenses, be it aircraft of their own or some manner of surface to air weaponry. So if the CRM sent in a few helicopters, there'd be little to Commonwealth could do to protect themselves from aerial attack.

Would you say The Commonwealth's basic weapons (with a large number of fighting bodies behind them) might pose as much of a threat to CRM helicopters as Nat's rockets?
 
The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live - Season one, episode 2 - "Gone"

NOTES:
Trouble in paradise? Michonne views Rick as a broken man--not quite as bad as his psychological state in the moments after Negan's line-up, but it seems clear to Michonne that Rick has a nervous, fearful air about him. All she sees is a large organization that needs to fall, but I would not be surprised if she plots behind Rick's back.

Jadis' "longstanding deal" with Rick? One wonders what their deal is, and if it was struck after Rick made his last escape attempt (which would be a few years ago). Moreover, Jadis' threat against Rick's loved ones inspires a question: although Rick is almost completely unaware of the sweeping changes / expansion of his community (i.e., the incorporation / expansion of the Commonwealth), unless Jadis and the CRM monitored the goings-on of Rick's people, including their connection to other communities, they'd be in for a shock to act on Jadis' threat only to discover a massive collective of organizations like the Commonwealth. Yes, the CRM has slaughtered entire cities' worth of people, but were any as well armed as the Commonwealth? Further, up to TWD's series finale, audiences still do not know the extent (related to defense) of the Commonweath's partner cities. It would be foolish to underestimate any community's resources and methods, all to silence Rick and Michonne.
I would think the "longstanding deal" started form Day One... where she explained to Rick the difference between A and B. He kept silent about stuff, and ensured his survival, and Jadis would be quiet about Alexandria...

Hopefully we get details about that. SUrely the CRM would have known about the existence of Alexandria after 10 years...it's just that they wouldn't necessarily have known how strong the leadership is there, where they might feel the need to massacre them.
If there's one TWD showrunner habit i've grown tired of, its the introduction of characters who all give information dumps, are presented as appealing, and would seem to have some hope for the future, only to end up dead in the episode of their introduction. The entire caravan community / Aiden / Bailey / Nat were padded as if they were going to last, but the showrunners have played this hand so much, that you just counted the seconds until they were killed off.
SO in addition to episode 1 of this series, and then Isle of the Dead (by the end of the season) - which had a different showrunner, where else have we seen it that it has become a TWD trope? However, I agree, that definitely brought things down... certainly with Nat. Aiden, i can see as a motivator for Michonne, and her husband would have been the perfect scapegoat.

The caravan refers to the Walkers as "The Wailing". Hard to keep count of the many names for the reanimated corpses TWD series have created over the past 14 years.

I thought i heard the CRM refer to Walkers as "Delts" (Like Deltas? )... interested to hear about that terminology and why
STICKY FINGERED WRITERS:
The pregnant Aiden tied to the bed as she reanimates was a direct swipe from Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake (2004), where the Luda character--also pregnant was tied to a bed to prevent her from harming her husband while he attempted to save their unborn child. This was not the first time TWD series borrowed / swiped from that influential zombie film.

Nat setting a counter on fire as a barrier was a tactic used in Shaun of the Dead (also 2004).
I would consider those as homages
Next: "Bye" - Thorne attempts to recruit and train Michonne. You'd have to guess Michonne will double-deal Thorne and upend Okafor's plans for change, and the Beale leadership, whether Rick is on board or not.
It seems like Michonne would actually be down with Okafor's plans... since they WOULD be about dismantling the CRM system.... since the CRM has become what Okafor fought against in the beginning (massacring thousands for some "greater good", He saved Beale because the army was going to do to him what the CRM is now doing to others).

I am still trying to figure out Thorne's deal, and what she really wants to accomplish. ANd it seems strange that Okafor doesn't have a Shadow army that isn't set up to activate once he had his leaders in place.

GRADE: B.
Only a B? I am kinda shocked at the low grade. Was it the klling off of new characters that brough it down for you?

They aren't really explaining why the CRM is so intent on killing other survivors and destroying other major settlements, beyond empty statements like "It drains our resources" or "those places are inevitably going to be overrun anyways".

At least with the Governor it was made clear he was just a power tripping psychopath, but he was just one tiny dictator in one small town.

yeah, we definitely need to find out the motivations...because it doens't make sense at this point. But if the reveal this past episode that Michonne was already taking off helmets is an example, the showrunners understand this and will reveal it at an appropriate time, so it all makes sense.... i just wonder though if what they set up in World Beyond was really part of a larger plan, or just some needed threat to make the show have some stakes we are supposed to care about.
 
Would you say The Commonwealth's basic weapons (with a large number of fighting bodies behind them) might pose as much of a threat to CRM helicopters as Nat's rockets?
Maybe. Though in the initial attack the CRM would have the advantage of no one in the Commonwealth being aware of them. They see helicopters approaching, they might just be caught off guard long enough for the helicopter to launch chlorine gas and or weapons and ordinance. The Commonwealth might be able to get its act together for any future engagements, but the first time around the CRM would have a clear and definitive victory.
 
I find it very funny that Rick asks about Judith, but neither he nor Michonne mentions R.J. (Unless I blinked?)
 
I find it very funny that Rick asks about Judith, but neither he nor Michonne mentions R.J. (Unless I blinked?)
Rick wouldn't know about RJ as Michonne didn't know she was pregnant until after Rick's departure. As for Michonne, when she answers Rick that Judith is fine, you can tell from her facial expression that she's withholding something, and she even says something like "the rest can wait until later." Presumably she came to a decision at the moment not to mention RJ yet, feeling it was not an appropriate moment to let Rick know he has another child.
 
Rick wouldn't know about RJ as Michonne didn't know she was pregnant until after Rick's departure. As for Michonne, when she answers Rick that Judith is fine, you can tell from her facial expression that she's withholding something, and she even says something like "the rest can wait until later." Presumably she came to a decision at the moment not to mention RJ yet, feeling it was not an appropriate moment to let Rick know he has another child.

I just hope her not mentioning RJ is not some tragedy saved for the finale.

...or, perhaps she's unsure about the way Rick would react (it is not known if they planned to have a child). That said, I can see Michonne hesitating to say much about Alexandria if she's unsure about Rick's state of mind (i.e., Rick appearing broken or untrustworthy).
 
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