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Walking Dead The Ones Who Live

Hmm--what WD universe episode confirmed the Air Force strikes occured at the same time in L.A. and Atlanta?

The Walking Dead Wikipedia Fandom Page timeline has Operation Colbalt being declared at 0900 PDT on September 8, 2010 and commencing on September 9, 2010 with the simultaneous bombing of all major American cities, including L.A., San Diego, Portland, Vancouver B.C., Seattle, Manhattan, Chicago, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Philadelphia.
 
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The Walking Dead Wikipedia Fandom Page timeline has Operation Colbalt being declared at 0900 PDT on September 8, 2010 and commencing on September 9, 2010 with the simultaneous bombing of all major American cities, including L.A., San Diego, Portland, Vancouver B.C., Seattle, Manhattan, Chicago, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Philadelphia.
How reliable is it? How much is just conjecture by fans (or even made up)?

Quickly glancing at it, it stated that Grady Memorial was in Atlanta.... i mean, maybe the greater metropolitan area (i.e. suburbs), but if Atlanta was bombed....

And i think they might need to look over everything again in light of Ones Who Live
 
How reliable is it? How much is just conjecture by fans (or even made up)?

Quickly glancing at it, it stated that Grady Memorial was in Atlanta.... i mean, maybe the greater metropolitan area (i.e. suburbs), but if Atlanta was bombed....

And i think they might need to look over everything again in light of Ones Who Live

It was updated to include 'The Ones Who Live' and Okafur flying cross county to bomb L.A. and Atlanta.
 
I was wondering just why Okafur was willing to go so far for Rick. Did Jadis report back so much of Rick's actions that Okafur was able to view that intelligence and decide Rick was someone worth saving and getting on his side?
 
My only complaint is Rick cutting off hand. That made zero sense. I know he was desperate, but that was dumb. Still loved the episode though.
Symbolism. A trapped animal will chew off its own leg to get away.

It's really more a mythology gag to the comics, there the Governor chopped off Rick's hand and he has different prosthetic replacements. The writer later regretted he did that so told them not to do it in the TV version.

They did it here as a shout-out to the comics, but didn't want to CGI Andrew Lincoln's hand away for the show so they gave him the prosthetic with the blade built in.
 
The Walking Dead Wikipedia Fandom Page timeline has Operation Colbalt being declared at 0900 PDT on September 8, 2010 and commencing on September 9, 2010 with the simultaneous bombing of all major American cities, including L.A., San Diego, Portland, Vancouver B.C., Seattle, Manhattan, Chicago, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Philadelphia.
I'd be curious to know their source for the September date. The franchise has typically avoided giving a specific date in 2010 for the apocalypse though sometimes contradictory dates can be seen on various displays. The Fear webisodes about the submarine's last voyage place that in August, while Negan's origin story episode places the initial outbreak of the walker virus in November 2010.
It's really more a mythology gag to the comics, there the Governor chopped off Rick's hand and he has different prosthetic replacements. The writer later regretted he did that so told them not to do it in the TV version.

They did it here as a shout-out to the comics, but didn't want to CGI Andrew Lincoln's hand away for the show so they gave him the prosthetic with the blade built in.
Also, according to this interview Andrew Lincoln had been requesting for years to have Rick's hand amputated.
 
What always amazes me about these zombie movies is how, well, the zombies win in the end. If humans do one thing well, it's killing other beings, whether they're alive or undead. I can obviously imagine panic and confusion at the beginning, big losses, but not the complete collapse of civilization.

I’ve always found this passage from George A. Romero’s novelization of ‘Dawn Of The Dead’ intriguing.

“I know WGON is out by now,” Steve said with animation. “It was a madhouse back there . . . people are crazy . . . if they’d just organize. It’s total confusion. I don’t believe it’s gotten this bad. I don’t believe they can’t handle it.” He looked around the room proudly. “Look at us. Look at what we were able to do today.”

A few feet away, still in a slumped position by the pyramid of cartons, Peter’s eyes blinked open. He had been listening to what he wanted to hear, and now this statement by the kid really made him take notice. His eyes moved slightly to the side so that he could watch Stephen. The young man was gesturing wildly with his hands, going on and on about their exploits as a team. The other two didn’t realize Peter was awake. Roger nodded his head, but didn’t seem as if he were really listening to Steve’s ramblings.

“We knocked the shit out of ‘em, and they never touched us,” Steve exclaimed. “Not really,” he said in a quieter tone.

The rumbling voice erupted from the other side of the room.

“They touched us good, Flyboy. We’re lucky to get out with our asses. You don’t forget that!”

The two men looked at Peter. Steve’s face colored at being caught mouthing off about something he really hadn’t contributed to. The droning of the radio, announcing more disaster reports, was counterpoint to Peter’s speech.

“You get overconfident . . . underestimate those suckers. And you get eaten! How’d you like that?”

He spoke in a low, unemotional tone, barely turning his head so that Steve could see the expression. Peter hadn’t moved a muscle except for his eyes and his mouth. Steve was transfixed.

“They got a big advantage over us, brother,” Peter went on. “They don’t think. They just blind-ass do what they got to do. No emotions. And that bunch out there? That’s just a handful, and every day they’ll be more. A couple hundred thousand people die each day from natural causes. That’ll prob’ly triple or better with folks knockin’ each other off the way it’s goin’.

“Now say each one of them comes back and kills two, and each one of them kills two more . . . you know about the Emperor’s reward?”

As if they were children at story hours, the two grown men shook their heads.

Peter went on, “Emperor tells this dude, ‘I’ll give you anything I got, name it’ . . . dude puts out a chessboard . . . says gimme one grain of rice on the first square, two on the second; four on the third; eight . . . double for each square on the board. Dude got all the rice in the kingdom, baby. Wiped the Emperor out!”

“Yeah,” Steve interrupted. “But these things can be stopped so easily . . . if people would just listen . . . do what has to be done – “

Peter swiveled his upper torso and faced Steve.

“How about it, Flyboy? Let’s say your lady gets killed. You gonna be able to chop off her head?”

Steve stopped midsentence by the last comment. It was meant to sting and it did. He stared at the big man, his mouth open. He was about to answer yes when he stopped himself again. All he could do in response was stare.

I don’t think this made the North American cut, but a portion of it might have made the Argento cut.

I think it lays out a plausible scenario about individuals response to an outbreak. We’ve even seen in the last four years the nation’s response to COVID-19, with widely differing responses from state and local governments about how to stop the spread of the disease.

Here in Washington State we had local officials and sheriff's openly defying enforcing the Governor's mask mandate and social distancing rules. I have no doubt that an outbreak similar to the one depicted in ‘The Walking Dead’ would elicit a similar response from local authorities.
 
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It's good to see Rick back. I was genuinely excited for his return and completely shocked that they went ahead and chopped off his hand so soon, which I agree felt more for shock value and had less emotional weight behind it. Felt a bit soon. I was like "wait we just got you back onscreen" and "no no NO!" Parts of Rick's life up until the final scenes of the first episode felt a bit rushed. I would have liked to have seen more of what happened in the first few years of his life there, particularly right after he was rescued.

I don't know anything about the CRM. I haven't watched any of the other Walking Dead spin offs other than the first two seasons of FWD. How lost am I here? What should I know or watch?


After brief flashbacks to Rick Grimes's life:
  • Stumbling out of the hospital (TWD - S1 / E1 - "Days Gone Bye").
  • Carl revealing his bite wound (TWD - S8 / E8 - "How It's Gotta Be").
  • The exploding bridge moment (TWD - S9 / E5 - "What Comes After").
  • Quick cuts of Judith (at an age Rick has not yet experienced), and Michonne disagreeing with Rick's belief that they might lose one another one day.
  • Jadis calling for a CRM helicopter to rescue Rick.
  • Judith asking Michonne to find Rick.
  • The Civic Republic soldiers' violent deeds, including a clip of guards attempting to kill Morgan & Grace from "Reclamation" (FTWD - S7 / E6).
I didn't see any of these flashbacks on the streaming service I watched it on. Wonder why.
 
I don't know anything about the CRM. I haven't watched any of the other Walking Dead spin offs other than the first two seasons of FWD. How lost am I here? What should I know or watch?

They were featured in the "World Beyond the Walking Dead" series a few years ago, they're so far the most powerful of all the antagonist groups encountered because they have real technology and civilization behind them. We heard about the General that Terry O'Quinn played in that series but this is the first time seeing him.

This show seems to be taking the plot elements from the main spin-offs and leftover stuff from the original show and linking it all together for the first time. So it feels like a more direct sequel series than just a spin-off.
 
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I was wondering just why Okafur was willing to go so far for Rick. Did Jadis report back so much of Rick's actions that Okafur was able to view that intelligence and decide Rick was someone worth saving and getting on his side?

It's good to see Rick back. I was genuinely excited for his return and completely shocked that they went ahead and chopped off his hand so soon, which I agree felt more for shock value and had less emotional weight behind it. Felt a bit soon. I was like "wait we just got you back onscreen" and "no no NO!" Parts of Rick's life up until the final scenes of the first episode felt a bit rushed. I would have liked to have seen more of what happened in the first few years of his life there, particularly right after he was rescued.

I don't know anything about the CRM. I haven't watched any of the other Walking Dead spin offs other than the first two seasons of FWD. How lost am I here? What should I know or watch?



I didn't see any of these flashbacks on the streaming service I watched it on. Wonder why.

I think they were first shown on either season 6 or 7 of Fear as a mysterious force that seemed to hunt down rogue members. Fear character Al and her CRM lover went into hiding, but never heard from again (more of a swan song for Al... i doubt they thought through any of the CRM stuff at that point. Not sure if they were even named by then

Season 1 of World Beyond was more setting up all of the World Beyond characters... a little bit of us seeing the shadiness of the CRM at the first episode, and especially last episode of season 1.

But season 2 really elaborates on some of the inner working of the CRM< and we see Jadis finally after her time on TWD. We also learn about the massacre in Nebraska and associated Campus COlony

They also show Major General Beale's son.... if they have him appear, and as a villain, season 2 will give it context and make him more sympathetic than we might see later. It might also give some background on how Beale has been leading the CRM on the East Coast.

They set some pieces in play. We shall see if any bear fruit in TOWL.

One thing i am confused about... season 2 takes place on the facility that is supposed to be in New York. Now...is this a separate one than the New York facility RIck was working on? (Some kind of New York state college).

It's kind of weird that there's no interaction with the groups on Isle of the Dead, considering they are so close.


They were featured in the "World Beyond the Walking Dead" series a few years ago, they're so far the most powerful of all the antagonist groups encountered because they have real technology and civilization behind them. We heard about the General that Terry O'Quinn played in that series but this is the first time seeing him.

This show seems to be taking the plot elements from the main spin-offs and leftover stuff from the original show and linking it all together for the first time. So it feels like a more direct sequel series than just a spin-off.

Yeah, i hope they do tie things together.... it feels like totally separate series and the different showrunners didn't talk to each other.
 
The Ones Who Live premier just gave AMC their best ratings since 2018.

Good news. The very idea of Rick and Michonne reuniting / returning was something fans have been hoping for over the course of many years--I do not believe there's another WD universe character or pairing that enjoyed the same magnetic pull as Rick and Michonne, and that includes Daryl.
 
Agreed. I'm not sure I would have stuck around so long if it had not been for Rick and his planned return.
 
Usually I'd call this sort of thing gutless fanservice, but there's an actual plot here and continuation of the story so it's not that.
 
I think TWD universe has 3 phenomenal shows right now. I hope they all stick to 6 episodes. No filler episodes. 8 to 10 at most.
 
Agree. Picard season 3 was definitely fanservice but also fantastic.
I loved Picard season 3. I know some people complain that it didn't break any new ground, and that's a legitimate complaint, but if you're going to see a band get back together for a reunion tour, you want them to play their greatest hits, not the crap they wrote for their solo albums.
 
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Agree. Picard season 3 was definitely fanservice but also fantastic.
I loved Picard season 3. I know some people complain that it didn't break any new ground, and that's a legitimate complaint, if you're going to see a band get back together for a reunion tour, you want them to play their greatest hits, not the crap they wrote for their solo albums.

Eh...Picard S3 was okay for the first half but when we got to the whole "Picards' secret son with Beverley turns out to be some secret Borg superweapon/Messiah who gets assimilated and looks just like Locutus" and the Borg/Changeling alliance it started to get a little too much for me to NOT see it as fanservice.
 
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