Voyager should have went to the Gamma Quadrant

[Yellowstone]

I think Voyager, after caretaker, should have set course for the Bajoran wormhole in the Gamma Quadrant. I've looked at some star maps and it seems closer than going to the Alpha Quadrant. Janeway would have known that it was an artificially constructed wormhole at least 10,000 years old (and thus very stable...DS9 Emissary).

Thoughts?

 

[hux]

Does anyone have a map?

I've never fully understood the four quadrants. I tend not to get too involved in the science of Star Trek. If someone says...."let's modify the deflector to create a condensed gamma fluctuating resonance cascade (which solves whatever problem they're facing)....I'm usually happy to buy it

I have no clue where they are in relation to anything else

But to answer the question....I guess there's always the potential risk that the wormhole is closed or destroyed or whatever so better to stick to the straight line strategy

 

[kirkfan]

Does anyone have a map?

I've never fully understood the four quadrants. I tend not to get too involved in the science of Star Trek. If someone says...."let's modify the deflector to create a condensed gamma fluctuating resonance cascade (which solves whatever problem they're facing)....I'm usually happy to buy it

I have no clue where they are in relation to anything else

But to answer the question....I guess there's always the potential risk that the wormhole is closed or destroyed or whatever so better to stick to the straight line strategy

I think the quadrants are so big (it's still one quarter of the WHOLE GALAXY for pete's sake), that to move from one end of one to the other it would still take something like forty years, if not more. So just saying "I am in the Alpha Quadrant." doesn't mean that you're close to home.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Does anyone have a map?

I've never fully understood the four quadrants. I tend not to get too involved in the science of Star Trek. If someone says...."let's modify the deflector to create a condensed gamma fluctuating resonance cascade (which solves whatever problem they're facing)....I'm usually happy to buy it

I have no clue where they are in relation to anything else

But to answer the question....I guess there's always the potential risk that the wormhole is closed or destroyed or whatever so better to stick to the straight line strategy

I have a map, but it mostly points out how Kirk's Enterprise would have made it home by the end of episode 1...

(I've seen a few Voyager maps, some have Voyager arrive closer to the Bajoran Wormhole, later ones put them roughly equally distant from it as Earth)

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

OH it's all the same. Whatever. Buncha aliens who aren't as enlightened as Starfleet.

Who cares what quadrant it is in.

 

[Disco]

The best explanation I read to this was that if you look at the map above the stars are spread out like Catherine wheel firework and if Voyager were to take the possibly shorter route (I'm not sure of distance) then it would be crossing through less habitable systems which would means less resources. I know Voyager had replicators but it might still need dilithium on the way home and in the event of accidents would need other resources therefore it made more sense to travel through the more populated route.

I know once you take into account known enemies (such as the Borg) you start poking holes in this explanation but there is a risk reward with even the Borg that you could use the transwarp hubs.

 

[kirkfan]

In the Gamma Quadrant they may have to deal with the Dominion. Is that really better than the borg? In some ways it's even worse.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

At the time the Dominion had only recently been established as a threat, with very little to know about them.

More importantly the Bajoran wormhole HAD been established as artificial and to Starfleet's knowledge, however created by a bunch of flaky aliens who might close it again at any time (which they did in fact do at least once).

Sure the Borg MIGHT be in the way, but better to go the route that WILL get you home in seventy years, rather than travel 60+ years in another direction towards something that may or may not be there when you arrive, suddenly compounding your journey.

It REALLY would have been nice if they established this early on.

Mark

 

[kirkfan]

At the time the Dominion had only recently been established as a threat, with very little to know about them.

More importantly the Bajoran wormhole HAD been established as artificial and to Starfleet's knowledge, however created by a bunch of flaky aliens who might close it again at any time (which they did in fact do at least once).

Sure the Borg MIGHT be in the way, but better to go the route that WILL get you home in seventy years, rather than travel 60+ years in another direction towards something that may or may not be there when you arrive, suddenly compounding your journey.

It REALLY would have been nice if they established this early on.

Mark

They knew about the wormhole but never thought about using it.

 

[Sidewinder]

At the time the Dominion had only recently been established as a threat, with very little to know about them.

More importantly the Bajoran wormhole HAD been established as artificial and to Starfleet's knowledge, however created by a bunch of flaky aliens who might close it again at any time (which they did in fact do at least once).

Sure the Borg MIGHT be in the way, but better to go the route that WILL get you home in seventy years, rather than travel 60+ years in another direction towards something that may or may not be there when you arrive, suddenly compounding your journey.

It REALLY would have been nice if they established this early on.

Mark

They knew about the wormhole but never thought about using it.

Ultimately it proved to be the wiser decision. But that is funny, I never thought about why they wouldn't use it.

But, what if the Wormhole was destroyed in the 60 or so years it took to get there. It was an option wasn't it? Destroy it to protect the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion?

 

[kirkfan]

We can object to that that Janeway and her staff had no knowledge of a war with the Dominion. Remember how surprised the doctor was when EMH2 mentioned the war? So they had no reason to believe that the wormhole that had lasted ten thousand years would ever collapse.

 

[Disco]

We can object to that that Janeway and her staff had no knowledge of a war with the Dominion. Remember how surprised the doctor was when EMH2 mentioned the war? So they had no reason to believe that the wormhole that had lasted ten thousand years would ever collapse.

Yes they did if you remember the Barzan wormhole. I think the Bajoran wormhole was the only stable wormhole found to date so it would have been considered risky to rely on it.

 

[kirkfan]

We can object to that that Janeway and her staff had no knowledge of a war with the Dominion. Remember how surprised the doctor was when EMH2 mentioned the war? So they had no reason to believe that the wormhole that had lasted ten thousand years would ever collapse.

Yes they did if you remember the Barzan wormhole. I think the Bajoran wormhole was the only stable wormhole found to date so it would have been considered risky to rely on it.

The difference being that the Barzan wormhole was never stable, and that's why the two stupid fenregi got trapped in the delta quadrant in the TNG episode The Price, because they didn't want to heed the Enterprise's crew's advice to come back. By the time Janeway embarked on her adventure though the discovery of the Bajoran wormhole was two years old and people used it regularly for trade. She had no reason to believe that things would escalate to the point where the wormhole aliens would block passage. Besides since it was the aliens that controlled it and not some device then it may be possible that they would let Voyager go through by recognizing them as members of Sisko's people and not the Dominion's.

 

[Disco]

We can object to that that Janeway and her staff had no knowledge of a war with the Dominion. Remember how surprised the doctor was when EMH2 mentioned the war? So they had no reason to believe that the wormhole that had lasted ten thousand years would ever collapse.

Yes they did if you remember the Barzan wormhole. I think the Bajoran wormhole was the only stable wormhole found to date so it would have been considered risky to rely on it.

The difference being that the Barzan wormhole was never stable, and that's why the two stupid fenregi got trapped in the delta quadrant in the TNG episode The Price, because they didn't want to heed the Enterprise's crew's advice to come back. By the time Janeway embarked on her adventure though the discovery of the Bajoran wormhole was two years old and people used it regularly for trade. She had no reason to believe that things would escalate to the point where the wormhole aliens would block passage. Besides since it was the aliens that controlled it and not some device then it may be possible that they would let Voyager go through by recognizing them as members of Sisko's people and not the Dominion's.

I think it's too big a maybe a to gamble on the wormhole staying stable and being open to save only 10 years travel. That's just my thinking.

 

[kirkfan]

Yes they did if you remember the Barzan wormhole. I think the Bajoran wormhole was the only stable wormhole found to date so it would have been considered risky to rely on it.

The difference being that the Barzan wormhole was never stable, and that's why the two stupid fenregi got trapped in the delta quadrant in the TNG episode The Price, because they didn't want to heed the Enterprise's crew's advice to come back. By the time Janeway embarked on her adventure though the discovery of the Bajoran wormhole was two years old and people used it regularly for trade. She had no reason to believe that things would escalate to the point where the wormhole aliens would block passage. Besides since it was the aliens that controlled it and not some device then it may be possible that they would let Voyager go through by recognizing them as members of Sisko's people and not the Dominion's.

I think it's too big a maybe a to gamble on the wormhole staying stable and being open to save only 10 years travel. That's just my thinking.

It beats the hell out of risking going through borg space which is about ten years of travel long as well.

 

[F. King Daniel]

But the Borg were known to use transwarp corridors. From Episode 1 I guessed that's how they'd get home.

 

[kirkfan]

But the Borg were known to use transwarp corridors. From Episode 1 I guessed that's how they'd get home.

Apparently, there are more than half a dozen of different ways to go faster than warp speed.

 

[Lance]

If they'd gone via the Gamma Quadrant, they might have encountered the Dominion, and select members of the crew replaced by changelings.

Janeway only starts getting suspicious of Chakotay because he hasn't mentioned some mystical made up mumbo-jumbo recently.

"My spirit guide is a Jem'Hadar Warrior."

 

[Lynx]

^^


Anyway, it could have been a good idea to have them to travel into the gamma Quadrant in the later half of season 6. It could have been used to tie up a few threads from TNG and DS9 as well.

 

[kirkfan]

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Anyway, it could have been a good idea to have them to travel into the gamma Quadrant in the later half of season 6. It could have been used to tie up a few threads from TNG and DS9 as well.

Maybe they could have found out what happened to Kai Opaka after sisko et al left her there and completely forgot about her...