Voyager seasons 4-7 SUCKED
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I wonder, if you got a snake bite. Could you use the dvd to season 5 to suck the poison out of your but?
Seasons Four and Five were 1450% better than most of the genric, dull, poorly written, audience haemorrhaging Jeri Taylor guff that dominated some of Season Two, and too much Season Three (but good episodes were still to be found, and I liked Season One).
Sour grapes over the departure of Kes, the arrival of Seven, and the mainly dull ensemble characters getting rightfully sidelined slightly, mahler5?!
Sour grapes over the departure of Kes, the arrival of Seven, and the mainly dull ensemble characters getting rightfully sidelined slightly, mahler5?!
More shit for the birds.
Season Five was not a patch on Season Four, but comparable to the first season, and generally better than the other seasons (but that is not especially high praise, but respectible enough praise).
I'm sorry but I honestly don't know what people fucking saw in most of the earlier seasons, when as long ago as then the whole series was already losing millions of viewers, and getting critically panned.
Well.. Kes. If we got to sum it up as honestly as possible...
but now that I really think about it... It's that DS9 was a superior show, and became more superior with every episode it produced and then suddenly... There was no more DS9, but we were still horny for Star Trek and all we were left with was it's dull retarded twin sister, and the self loathing set in something chronic after that... but, it's also that the laster seasons where exaclty like the earlier seasons, which was exactly like TNG.
Spilt milk totally, but you asked a question.
but now that I really think about it... It's that DS9 was a superior show, and became more superior with every episode it produced and then suddenly... There was no more DS9, but we were still horny for Star Trek and all we were left with was it's dull retarded twin sister, and the self loathing set in something chronic after that... but, it's also that the laster seasons where exaclty like the earlier seasons, which was exactly like TNG.
Spilt milk totally, but you asked a question.
Well Kes was not all that unlikable, mostly just "meh", even though Jennifer Lien did a good enough job (she was great in Amarican History X), and Garret Wang should've been given the heave-ho instead (I heard he was a giant wang on set in the early years, even though he is said to be very cordial with Trekkies at conventions).
I thought DS9 was at it's best around Seasons Two to Five, but got too pompous and overblown after that, even though it was mostly better than Voyager on hindsight, a show that could've been so much better than it actually was, but erratically veered from "quite good" to "arrggh mediocre!" throughout most of it's run, with only the middle seasons being consistently watchable.
I'd say it was always TNG-lite, although TNG at it's best was better than either most of DS9 and VOY, but at it's worst was more turgid than those two spin-offs (which were both relatively successful shows in their own right, despite what is subjectively said about their quality).
She was rarely given good material to work with. As I said in another thread, she was very good in "Warlord." But most of the time she's a coy, innocent elfin creature. And she plays Kes that way. Agree that Wang, not Lien, should have been given the heave-ho. Kes had a character arc that might go places, Kim didn't even have that.
The whole show was a disappointment IMO. It had potential, but after a while it became obvious that they weren't going to struggle, the ship could not be damaged, they were never in danger of running out of shuttles/torpedoes/resources/energy etc...and then it got worse when Seven joined and made them even MORE invincible. The Maquis element was irrelevant as soon as Janeway gave them their Starfleet uniforms in the first episode. The whole "lost in the Delta Quadrant" concept seemed forgotten. The show could have been set in the Alpha Quadrant and called "TNG 2" and it would have essentially been the same show.
Even though it never lived up to the gritty premise it laid out at the outset, I felt Voyager managed to remain pretty good (and, occasionally, with the Hirogen arc and the Year of Hell, actually lived up to its gritty premise) through the middle of season five. However, beginning with Dark Frontier, it took a nose-dive in quality.
At that point, the quality control just fell out from under them. There was absolutely no sense of continuity on a show that should have had tighter continuity than all the Treks that came before it, since its premise meant that the crew would be essentially unchanged for seven years, in the last two and a half years. Big ideas and small ideas were forgotten, overwritten, or pushed to the side. There were some decent moments in these last 2.5 years, for sure, but never for more than an episode or two. And, amidst a sea of forgotten continuity, the writing just wasn't there anymore. The show decided to do standalones like TNG, which was fine, but it stopped being good at doing even those by the end of year five.
But, just the angry ranting of a fan who really liked Voyager at one time (and still enjoys the first four and a half years or so).
At that point, the quality control just fell out from under them. There was absolutely no sense of continuity on a show that should have had tighter continuity than all the Treks that came before it, since its premise meant that the crew would be essentially unchanged for seven years, in the last two and a half years. Big ideas and small ideas were forgotten, overwritten, or pushed to the side. There were some decent moments in these last 2.5 years, for sure, but never for more than an episode or two. And, amidst a sea of forgotten continuity, the writing just wasn't there anymore. The show decided to do standalones like TNG, which was fine, but it stopped being good at doing even those by the end of year five.
But, just the angry ranting of a fan who really liked Voyager at one time (and still enjoys the first four and a half years or so).
mahler5 said:
I really enjoyed the first three seasons of this show.
However, the final four are complete trash. For me the series ended at season 3.
From the board rules on trolling -
Trolling is an internet term that means you're not posting to actually start or participate in a good discussion, but simply to anger another member or group of members.
With that in mind, mahler5, if ya want to try to start a new thread givin' a reason why ya think the series ended after three seasons & why ya think the rest of the series sucked, go ahead & start a new thread.
But I'm goin' to close this one, with a friendly reminder not to be a troll.
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