It took billions of years and many many dead ends and different branches to get apes. Now are you telling me that Hadrosaurus managed to skip all of that and evolve to humanoids in 15 years? The reason why I keep talking about Apes is because their skeleton is similar to ours. Before Apes and Primates we probably didn't have the same skeleton until the need was there.
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Where are you getting this "15 years" time frame from?
Dinosaurs were the dominant form of life for over 160 million years. Isn't that enough time for an intelligent species to develop?
And even if they didn't develop along side the dinosaurs, there's about 65 million years between their time and the present, again more than enough time to for an intelligent species to develop.
I haven't watched that episode for a couple of years but this makes it even more ridicilous. What in Gods name made them survive while the other dinosaurs died out? Their food supply was disappearing just has it was for the others.
Well I assumed that they left before the dinosaurs died out.
The closer they get to the present day the more unlikely it is that they survived. Especially considering that the oxygen level dropped and that dinosaurs needed high O2 to survive.
It is possible but thats not the problem. The problem is that the supposed intelligent dinosaur ends up in a shape of mammals. How the hell does something that weights several tonnes end up in the same shape has humans who came from tree dwellers?
It's a plot hole but then again this is voyager. Things like plot holes and common sense are just irrating bugs on the window of a crap episode.
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. The Voth didn't even know. If they left before the dinosaur extinction, it could mean that they were already intelligent enough for space travel. Like I posted earlier, if the Voth were about 100 years more advanced than we are now they could have left, developing their thechnology as they went
Only large dinosaurs. We still have many creatures that lived along side the dinosaurs with us, like alligators or crocodiles. Some of them do get pretty big.
Here we have the Ancient Aliens from TNG's The Chase. They seeded many planets to create intelligent huminiod life. Perphaps the Voth developed first. Then after the extinction, the seeding, or forced evolution if you prefer, took hold again and one branch of the mammals became apes, the apes then became proto human, then finally human.
I rather liked the episode. Religion v. Science.
If you don't like plot holes don't make assumptions or find some that are not fillable by using information from other episodes.
I was gonna mention the ancient race, but you beat me to it..
There's also always the old school of thought that considers the humanoid form the most practical one for sapient speices. If that assumption holds true, then whenever there was an evolutionary pressure towards sapience, there would also be a simultaneous evolution towards the humanoid form. At least the very basics would be there: vertical orientation, with a set of manipulators held up high, free for using tools, and a set of limbs for movement down below, plus a sensor cluster on top of everything. And if the starting point for that is a creature that lacks manipulators and has to develop them from locomotion-type forelimbs (and not, say, from jaws or tongue or somesuch), then a bipedal humanoid-type structure would be a very natural result. Certainly all the nonsapient "template" forms available down here on Earth would have been conductive to the evolution of just such a sapient form.
But that's a very old school of thought that doesn't have much evidence on its side. All the evidence comes from a single planet, after all... Sure, it can say it's making a logical argument, but again, that's by the logic of a single sapient species! Other species might have different kinds of logic, to which we are inherently blind.
Me, I like to think that in the Trek universe, the "The Chase" aliens indeed are responsible. At least for the prevalence of DNA-based life, and probably also for the prevalence of humanoids like themselves.
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But that's a very old school of thought that doesn't have much evidence on its side. All the evidence comes from a single planet, after all... Sure, it can say it's making a logical argument, but again, that's by the logic of a single sapient species! Other species might have different kinds of logic, to which we are inherently blind.
Me, I like to think that in the Trek universe, the "The Chase" aliens indeed are responsible. At least for the prevalence of DNA-based life, and probably also for the prevalence of humanoids like themselves.
Timo Saloniemi
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Take the Majority of animals on the planet and give them an opposable thumb and they'll probably (if left alone) evolve into highly intelligent beings.
Its amazing how important our thumbs are.
Its amazing how important our thumbs are.
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