The Daleks appear in the Christmas Special, apparently trying to stop The Doctor, so that idea of deleting all references to himself didn't take very well.
Very confused over 50th anniversary (spoilers naturally)
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The Daleks appear in the Christmas Special, apparently trying to stop The Doctor, so that idea of deleting all references to himself didn't take very well.
Do you mean in the upcoming Christmas episode? I think we have to wait and see for that, although, for purposes of the story, it does make more sense for the Doctor's enemies to know him and want to kill him.
The Daleks are set tpo appear whether or not they're really there is another issue.
Yeah, I don't think we can say for sure whether or not Clara's action made them forget until we see the episode. No point in speaking with any confidence based on a trailer.
You're leaving out Eccleston, which would make "the War Doctor" #9, not #10, but otherwise, this is still a valid question. Do we need to renumber, making Eccelston #10, Tennant #11, and Smith #12? I've heard people referring to Capaldi as #13, but still calling Smith #11!
Another related question is: Do you think the showrunners created this numbering ambiguity on purpose to tweak the fans that count regenerations to look out for the "last" one?
Probably has something to do with the fact that the Sisterhood of Karn dictating the regeneration to a war doctor. As soon as his task was over the next regeneration was forced. Could also explain why he won't count on the numbers technically. Even though Hurt did a solid job playing the Doctor.
I do.
Much as I love nearly everything that Moffat has done with the show, he does have this annoying habit of ellipsesing out important stuff between episodes.
After "The Name of the Doctor," I had assumed that the 50th anniversary special would take place within the Doctor's timeline, hence the appearances of previous Doctors. But instead, it seems like they escaped from the Doctor's timeline off screen. There's been a pretty big gap between "The Name of the Doctor" & "The Day of the Doctor."
There were some similarly big gaps before "The Impossible Astronaut" and between "The Impossible Astronaut" & "Day of the Moon." The first half of Season 7 seemed to be almost nothing but huge gaps between stories.
Yeah. He implies that he could go back & save them but it would create universe ending paradoxes if he did. At best, the planet and all life forms on it would be devoured by the vortisaurs in order to contain the damage to the timeline. At worst, you'd see the entire universe collapse, like it did in "The Wedding of River Song."
When was the "Time Lock" first mentioned? I think the first I recall hearing about it was in "Journey's End."
I do.
Much as I love nearly everything that Moffat has done with the show, he does have this annoying habit of ellipsesing out important stuff between episodes.
After "The Name of the Doctor," I had assumed that the 50th anniversary special would take place within the Doctor's timeline, hence the appearances of previous Doctors. But instead, it seems like they escaped from the Doctor's timeline off screen. There's been a pretty big gap between "The Name of the Doctor" & "The Day of the Doctor."
There is some logic. Day of the Doctor was a high profile episode which attracted plenty of casual viewer and viewers who probably haven't watched Doctor Who since the last Dalek episode or even since Tennant left. Therefore you don't want them to feel like they're walking in on the middle of the story when the episode starts. Of course, the obvious solution here would have been to give Name of the Doctor a less open-ended ending.
Yeah, it did seem like Name of the Doctor was setting up a cliffhanger (in the traditional sense) rather than just setting up John Hurt's character. However, I don't think the resolution was inherently more off screen than what we were basically told on screen. Clara helped reset the Doctor's history by defeating the Great Intelligence wherever he came up and everything was saved. Then, at the end, she saw the Doctor no one talks about.
Of course, with Name of the Doctor being so open-ended and resolved off screen, that just opens the door for some day a novel or audio drama to go ahead and have an adventure that takes picks up right when the War Doctor turns to look at the Eleventh.
Hey, if Big Finish actually did an audio drama set at the end of Frontios presenting an adventure with the Doctor, Tegan and the fucking Gravis, than once the get the license to do the nu series what's to stop them from having the Eleventh Doctor, War Doctor and Clara on an adventure right at the end of NotD? Perhaps even with Vastra and her gang added in as well.
Meanwhile, my internet spell checker confuses me. It claims Tegan is misspelled but accepts Gravis. Weird.
Hey, if Big Finish actually did an audio drama set at the end of Frontios presenting an adventure with the Doctor, Tegan and the fucking Gravis, than once the get the license to do the nu series what's to stop them from having the Eleventh Doctor, War Doctor and Clara on an adventure right at the end of NotD? Perhaps even with Vastra and her gang added in as well.
Meanwhile, my internet spell checker confuses me. It claims Tegan is misspelled but accepts Gravis. Weird.
Computer spell checkers tend to include a lot of computer company name spellings, even older ones since their databases usually build off of older ones from word processors. Gravis was a maker of computer hardware and peripherals from 1982 until 1997 when they were purchased by Kensington and gradually phased out.
Mine says I'm misspelling Apatosaurus. For those who also have this issue, see what the suggested spelling is. It's amusing.
I do.
Much as I love nearly everything that Moffat has done with the show, he does have this annoying habit of ellipsesing out important stuff between episodes.
After "The Name of the Doctor," I had assumed that the 50th anniversary special would take place within the Doctor's timeline, hence the appearances of previous Doctors. But instead, it seems like they escaped from the Doctor's timeline off screen. There's been a pretty big gap between "The Name of the Doctor" & "The Day of the Doctor."
There is some logic. Day of the Doctor was a high profile episode which attracted plenty of casual viewer and viewers who probably haven't watched Doctor Who since the last Dalek episode or even since Tennant left. Therefore you don't want them to feel like they're walking in on the middle of the story when the episode starts.
I get that. Which is why I spent a decent portion of the last few months pondering how Moffat would open "The Day of the Doctor" so that it continued off of "The Name of the Doctor" but didn't leave everyone else totally lost.
Then I see that he didn't even bother to answer the question. And after rewatching "The Name of the Doctor," I'm even more confused. I mean, pretty much everyone besides River was telling the Doctor not to try to rescue Clara because she was almost certainly dead anyway. And everyone was acting like it was pretty iffy that the Doctor would even be able to survive entering his own timestream, to say nothing of being able to get out again. I'm not sure you can get away with just saying that they got out "somehow."
They got out "somehow".
I do.
Much as I love nearly everything that Moffat has done with the show, he does have this annoying habit of ellipsesing out important stuff between episodes.
After "The Name of the Doctor," I had assumed that the 50th anniversary special would take place within the Doctor's timeline, hence the appearances of previous Doctors. But instead, it seems like they escaped from the Doctor's timeline off screen. There's been a pretty big gap between "The Name of the Doctor" & "The Day of the Doctor."
There is some logic. Day of the Doctor was a high profile episode which attracted plenty of casual viewer and viewers who probably haven't watched Doctor Who since the last Dalek episode or even since Tennant left. Therefore you don't want them to feel like they're walking in on the middle of the story when the episode starts.
I get that. Which is why I spent a decent portion of the last few months pondering how Moffat would open "The Day of the Doctor" so that it continued off of "The Name of the Doctor" but didn't leave everyone else totally lost.
Then I see that he didn't even bother to answer the question. And after rewatching "The Name of the Doctor," I'm even more confused. I mean, pretty much everyone besides River was telling the Doctor not to try to rescue Clara because she was almost certainly dead anyway. And everyone was acting like it was pretty iffy that the Doctor would even be able to survive entering his own timestream, to say nothing of being able to get out again. I'm not sure you can get away with just saying that they got out "somehow."
Shit, I'd forgotten they'd built it up like that. All I remember from the end of Name of the Doctor is explaining the War Doctor, Clara passing out and then the War Doctor talking about doing what he did in the name of peace and sanity.
Hell, at the very least, they should have done a webisode to wrap that up.
DOCTOR: "Enough of this. Let's get out of here"
He steps out of his time stream with Clara in his arms, goes back into the TARDIS, pushes a few buttons and levers and brings everyone home.
THRILLING.
Would certainly have prefered to have seen that over The Last Day.DOCTOR: "Enough of this. Let's get out of here"
He steps out of his time stream with Clara in his arms, goes back into the TARDIS, pushes a few buttons and levers and brings everyone home.
THRILLING.
