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'Variety' reviews Star Trek XI

You know, all this Iron Man comparison talk is an old hat already. In the past few days, the film of reviewers' choice to compare Star Trek to has most often been...

... Raiders of the Lost Ark! Yes. Now if that holds up, oh my, am I going to have fun at the movies in two weeks! What a classic. Great entertainment. Oh, and a nominee for Best Picture at the Academy Awards, btw ;)
 
Nah...Many detractors will still find cause to hate this film. In fact, I've been saying that if this film rakes in money at the box office, many detractors will point to that "popularity among the masses" as another sign that this film is the death of "Star Trek as they knew it."

Detractors are already tearing apart the positive reviews that state the film is "breathlessly exciting" by claiming those kinds of reviews as proof Abrams ruined Star Trek by turning it into an action film.

Well...fuck 'em. :cool:

Well, who said Starship Polaris isn't eloquent.:techman:
Tin Man was good.
 
I guess this bodes well, but it's tough to rely on a trade for a completely objective review.
 
Realize, to get asses into seats in 2009, a movie has to have action. Period. A cerebral STAR TREK at this point would be the FINAL STAR TREK movie. Let the movies go wham-bang action. Then let the next series worry about all the serious stuff. Two hours is not long enough to cover everything every fanboy wants to cover.

This movie needs to get TREK back to being popular, however it does it, or there will be no more TREK.
 
Realize, to get asses into seats in 2009, a movie has to have action. Period. A cerebral STAR TREK at this point would be the FINAL STAR TREK movie.

Yep, and I'm cool with that. I hold the movies to a different standard than the various series. You can do thought provoking mood pieces on TV. When I plunk down ten bucks for a May blockbuster, I want to see some shit explode.

Let's face it, none (well, almost none) of the movies were particularly deep. I don't expect this one to be either.
 
well , at least we know the critics like it. now , lets hope we all will as well.i can remember many movies the critics loved that bombed at the box office.

I can't think of a single example of a well-reviewed big-budget summer tentpole move that did poorly - so that bodes very well for Trek XI.


superman returns was a summer blockbuster that was critically acclaimed and it did very poor box office. so bad in fact that the proposed sequel was scrapped!

uh no..not all ;)
Now the Man of Steel is back in Bryan Singer's "Superman Returns," which, like its hero, spends a lot of time dead in the water.

This is a glum, lackluster movie in which even the big effects sequences seem dutiful instead of exhilarating.
BY ROGER EBERT


in some ways i looking forward to eberts review more then others.
he is a mainstream critic who also happens to be a sf fan.
and a lot of the public who like to go to sf movies look to his reviews .

i really think he review affected superman returns more then the other good reviews helped.
 
Well technically Superman Returns did fine in ticket sales, what killed it was its exceptionally high cost.

not really.while your right that it had an exceptionally high production cost (270million)the execs over at warner brothers were expecting spiderman numbers domestically, not the dismal 200 million it made.for it to have broken even it would have had to make at least 500 million.batman begins cost around 160 million to make and grossed about 400 million. that was a success.superman returns it fell far short of that. if the powers that be over at warners brothers were happy with the ticket sales they would not have cancelled the proposed sequel. which btw had a budget closer to 150 million.they didnt think a sequel would even make that investment back.


My point is if SR had teh budget of Batman Begins (or Trek since they ae all similar) then it would be a success. With both just passing 200 mill us, and getting final ww grosses of 372 (BB) and 391 (SR).

More people went to SR but again due to its huge, huge budget that isn't a successful performance.


my original point was that just because a movie is critically acclaimed doesnt mean it will do good box office. superman returns was well liked by the critics yet didnt even earn its production costs back domestically.sure if it had cost less to make the 200 million box office would have been a success. but thats a mote point since it didnt cost less to make than batman and did similar business, hence it "failed" at the box office.that was my original point.truth be told i think even had it cost less to produce than batman and did similar box office it still would not have been considered a hit. superman is supposed to be warner brothers premier character and was expected to do phenominal box office much like spiderman or ironman.
 
I can't think of a single example of a well-reviewed big-budget summer tentpole move that did poorly - so that bodes very well for Trek XI.


superman returns was a summer blockbuster that was critically acclaimed and it did very poor box office. so bad in fact that the proposed sequel was scrapped!

uh no..not all ;)
Now the Man of Steel is back in Bryan Singer's "Superman Returns," which, like its hero, spends a lot of time dead in the water.

This is a glum, lackluster movie in which even the big effects sequences seem dutiful instead of exhilarating.
BY ROGER EBERT
in some ways i looking forward to eberts review more then others.
he is a mainstream critic who also happens to be a sf fan.
and a lot of the public who like to go to sf movies look to his reviews .

i really think he review affected superman returns more then the other good reviews helped.


i didnt say every critic liked it only that the "majority" of the reviews were good.as someone else stated in an earlier post it was 77% positive on rt.so someone other than roger ebert liked it. btw , i dont think people stayed away from it because of eberts review. i think your putting way too much stock in his opinion.these other respected critics would disagree with ebert! http://www.indielondon.co.uk/Film-Review/superman-returns-early-reviews-say-it-soars ;)
 
I don't know if people actually would have expected Superman to outperform Batman since even with adjusting for inflation Batman (in the 80's) out performed Superman (from the 70's).

My point was critical acclaim with blockbusters getting people in their seats, not technically if the studio broke even at the box office.

200 million is generally now (the god old days when it was 100 million) the minimum standard for what (in audience) is considered a blockbuster.
 
Oh well, if you liked the new James Bond you'll love the new Star Trek...
 
Oh well, if you liked the new James Bond you'll love the new Star Trek...


Daniel Craig is great, isn't he? :techman:

Love the new James Bond. :)

And the good thing is you can love Sean Connery too... unless he's bitch-slapping you... :(

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

Yep, this is the good part - I get to look forward to seeing "The Cage" remastered and watching the old version on my DVDs and seeing the new Star Trek movie because I don't have to dislike one to like the other...
 
Not so big on any of the Bonds between Connery and Craig. The producers simply depended on the formula that was pretty much locked in by the time "Thunderball" was released to carry the films regardless of who they cast - just make the stunts and villains bigger and more ridiculous every time.
 
I wonder if the fact that this is apparently quite a good movie will help to "cushion the blow" of getting a reboot for the detractors. I was never opposed to a reboot, but I have no doubt that, had this movie been bad, some people would have seized the opportunity to blame the reboot approach the filmmakers took.
Nah...Many detractors will still find cause to hate this film. In fact, I've been saying that if this film rakes in money at the box office, many detractors will point to that "popularity among the masses" as another sign that this film is the death of "Star Trek as they knew it."

Detractors are already tearing apart the positive reviews that state the film is "breathlessly exciting" by claiming those kinds of reviews as proof Abrams ruined Star Trek by turning it into an action film.
And who the fuck cares about them? :lol:
 
^ Especially since they'll probably see the movie MORE TIMES than those who like it just so they can be accurate about what they're bitching about on the internet.
 
That will be enough poking at "detractors", thank you. This thread is about the Variety review (the Hollywood Reporter one, too.)
 
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