Spoilers Variety about the future of Star Trek

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by Visitor1982, Mar 27, 2024.

  1. BillJ

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    Welcome to humanity?
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I love TOS, think SNW is good TV and still can't reconcile the two!

     
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    This is a Star Trek message board. Complaining and hypocrisy are part of the job.
     
  4. CorporalClegg

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  5. Serveaux

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    People do disagree with you, yes.
     
  6. Daedalus

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    Nah you're right, accusing you of gatekeeping just aggrandises you and grants you an authority that you don't actually have. You also don't have the authority to assert that no one is interested in that "timey-wimey shit" when you can't possibly know every single fan in the world.

    I suppose it was more about making your mark on a newcomer and attempting to diminish their enthusiasm? God forbid anyone tries to enjoy a tv show in their own way.
     
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  7. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I didn't do anything of the sort.
     
  8. Daedalus

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    OK, you don't have the authority to assert that most fans don't give a shit about the timey-wimey stuff then.
     
  9. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I has nothing to do with authority. I has to do with being around the fandom for 30+ years.

    Also, common sense.
     
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  10. Daedalus

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    Common sense is just a collection of prejudices. But, I certainly can't compete 30+ years, impressive stuff.
     
  11. Daedalus

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    That's 'compete with'* before I'm pulled up on that too.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    SNW is not the best thing ever so not sure why we think it is above criticism, because it sure as fact is not based upon reactions in episode threads. And not a single person has thus been able to share evidence of these things that are being stated.

    So, speaking of hyperbolic projection.
    Damn straight.
    Not authority; just observation. Different stories will appeal to a lot of different people, but one thing that doesn't always appeal is the digging down into minutia of time travel.
     
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  13. CorporalClegg

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    Yup.

    People watch shows and exposition flies right over them. That's true for fans of all media of all genre. People like Tomorrow3 because it was a fun story with interaction of two popular characters. The gobbledygook spouted by a one-off never factored into it.
     
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    It doesn't always appeal, I agree. I still don't believe that he can determine if other fans wouldn't actually like to see more of temporal agents and other time-travel related plotlines. After all, some of the best episodes and movies involve "timey-wimey" stories. There's even a thread here discussing whether Kovich used to be a temporal agent or even future guy, so i'm not an anomaly here.(That's just an example, btw, i dont necessarily believe its true)

    I mean, David Reed wrote the episode and inserted all this, without it the episode just wouldn't work. If he hadn't, I probably would've left it all in the Enterprise Era and forgotten it all.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    Subjective, which proves my point.

    And I don't believe you can determine if all fans consider those the best ;)
     
  17. Daedalus

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    I most definitely cannot.
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  18. fireproof78

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    At best, we can only go by our experiences and observations. In my experiences, with the fans I have interacted with there is usually three different responses to the technobabble: indifference, overanalysis, or just moving on. The indifference tends to be the one I see the most.

    Though, with many fans, there is little reflection on why something works for them and simply just assuming that it must just work.
     
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  19. Daedalus

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    After 14 days I can edit posts, right? This is getting ridiculous.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Yes. You'll get there :beer:
     
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