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[BillJ]

You're new here, so I'll just say that this BBS is full of hypocritical projecting.

Welcome to humanity?

 

[BillJ]

I'm a colossal TOS fan. In fact, it's my all-time-favorite Trek series. I also love SNW. And I see no glaring, immutable contradictions between the two.

There.

I love TOS, think SNW is good TV and still can't reconcile the two!

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[cooleddie74]

This is a Star Trek message board. Complaining and hypocrisy are part of the job.

 

[CorporalClegg]

gatekeeping.

gatekeeping

 

[Mudd]

You're new here, so I'll just say that this BBS is full of hypocritical projecting. In short, it's only gatekeeping if the other side does it. SNW should be immune from any criticism whatsoever, but anything pre-2005 or PICARD season 3 can be subjected to 1000X the scrutiny, because reasons. Why do you care so much, bro? It's just a TV show. Trying to make things make sense in universe is just being a toxic fan and you're an old man yelling at clouds. Etc, etc, etc. Budget your time accordingly. Use the ignore option liberally. Best of luck!

People do disagree with you, yes.

 

[Daedalus]

Nah you're right, accusing you of gatekeeping just aggrandises you and grants you an authority that you don't actually have. You also don't have the authority to assert that no one is interested in that "timey-wimey shit" when you can't possibly know every single fan in the world.

I suppose it was more about making your mark on a newcomer and attempting to diminish their enthusiasm? God forbid anyone tries to enjoy a tv show in their own way.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I didn't do anything of the sort.

 

[Daedalus]

I didn't do anything of the sort.

OK, you don't have the authority to assert that most fans don't give a shit about the timey-wimey stuff then.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I has nothing to do with authority. I has to do with being around the fandom for 30+ years.

Also, common sense.

 

[Daedalus]

I has nothing to do with authority. I has to do with being around the fandom for 30+ years.

Also, common sense.

Common sense is just a collection of prejudices. But, I certainly can't compete 30+ years, impressive stuff.

 

[Daedalus]

That's 'compete with'* before I'm pulled up on that too.

 

[fireproof78]

You're new here, so I'll just say that this BBS is full of hypocritical projecting. In short, it's only gatekeeping if the other side does it. SNW should be immune from any criticism whatsoever, but anything pre-2005 or PICARD season 3 can be subjected to 1000X the scrutiny, because reasons. Why do you care so much, bro? It's just a TV show. Trying to make things make sense in universe is just being a toxic fan and you're an old man yelling at clouds. Etc, etc, etc. Budget your time accordingly. Use the ignore option liberally. Best of luck!

SNW is not the best thing ever so not sure why we think it is above criticism, because it sure as fact is not based upon reactions in episode threads. And not a single person has thus been able to share evidence of these things that are being stated.

So, speaking of hyperbolic projection.

I'm a colossal TOS fan. In fact, it's my all-time-favorite Trek series. I also love SNW. And I see no glaring, immutable contradictions between the two.

There.

Damn straight.

OK, you don't have the authority to assert that most fans don't give a shit about the timey-wimey stuff then.

Not authority; just observation. Different stories will appeal to a lot of different people, but one thing that doesn't always appeal is the digging down into minutia of time travel.

 

[CorporalClegg]

but one thing that doesn't always appeal is the digging down in to minutia of time travel.

Yup.

People watch shows and exposition flies right over them. That's true for fans of all media of all genre. People like Tomorrow3 because it was a fun story with interaction of two popular characters. The gobbledygook spouted by a one-off never factored into it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

 

[Daedalus]

Not authority. Just observation./ Different stories will appeal to a lot of different people, but one thing that doesn't always appeal is the digging down in to minutia of time travel.

It doesn't always appeal, I agree. I still don't believe that he can determine if other fans wouldn't actually like to see more of temporal agents and other time-travel related plotlines. After all, some of the best episodes and movies involve "timey-wimey" stories. There's even a thread here discussing whether Kovich used to be a temporal agent or even future guy, so i'm not an anomaly here.(That's just an example, btw, i dont necessarily believe its true)

I mean, David Reed wrote the episode and inserted all this, without it the episode just wouldn't work. If he hadn't, I probably would've left it all in the Enterprise Era and forgotten it all.

 

[fireproof78]

After all, some of the best episodes and movies involve "timey-wimey" stories.

Subjective, which proves my point.

And I don't believe you can determine if all fans consider those the best

 

[Daedalus]

Subjective, which proves my point.

And I don't believe you can determine if all fans consider those the best

I most definitely cannot.

Subjective, which proves my point.

And I don't believe you can determine if all fans consider those the best

 

[fireproof78]

I most definitely cannot.

At best, we can only go by our experiences and observations. In my experiences, with the fans I have interacted with there is usually three different responses to the technobabble: indifference, overanalysis, or just moving on. The indifference tends to be the one I see the most.

Though, with many fans, there is little reflection on why something works for them and simply just assuming that it must just work.

 

[Daedalus]

After 14 days I can edit posts, right? This is getting ridiculous.

 

[fireproof78]

After 14 days I can edit posts, right? This is getting ridiculous.

Yes. You'll get there