In this day and age this makes absolute sense to me.
News Van Sprang: Leland, AI And The Borg
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This is not MCU. Pretty sure producers don’t give a crap what actors talk about. He’s guessing since he doesn’t know, but I don’t think TPTB approve every actors interviews with media ahead of time. If he feels it’s the Borg, it’s the Borg.
besides, if Frakes knew he would have let the cat out of the bag long ago.
Yes, they do care.
The burden of being an "Also starring", I suppose.
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I'm still hoping it isn't the Borg, and that they are trolling us intentionally. I haven't read the Destiny novels, but have my own headcanon Borg origin story: something I was thinking about around 10 years ago, and even considered trying to write a two part story about.
However, am I the only one with some vague recollection about an article where the design team were discussing things they had in mind, and I'm sure the Borg got a mention. I think it was before series one ended and, I think, before the Talosians were first teased.
Edit: I found what I'd read, and it was the designers saying they were dying to make an updated Borg, not that they had an order for it.
https://trekmovie.com/2018/03/29/in...klingon-and-tellarite-updates-and-borg-hopes/
However, am I the only one with some vague recollection about an article where the design team were discussing things they had in mind, and I'm sure the Borg got a mention. I think it was before series one ended and, I think, before the Talosians were first teased.
Edit: I found what I'd read, and it was the designers saying they were dying to make an updated Borg, not that they had an order for it.
https://trekmovie.com/2018/03/29/in...klingon-and-tellarite-updates-and-borg-hopes/
It was half decent. Something about a race that used nanobots for medical purposes until some one from that race got sent to the past (time travel, ya'all) and used them to infect others to survive and such became the first Borg.
Leland wasn't 'assimilated' he's 100% controlled. When the Borg assimilate someone their consciousness is still in control, just merged with all the other Borg consciousness' in their Collective. To equate what happened to Leland as 'assimilation' in that sense is inaccurate.
"Six years ago, they assimilated me into their collective. I had their cybernetic devices implanted throughout my body. I was linked to the hive mind. Every trace of individuality erased. I was one of them." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard, U.S.S. Enterprise Star Trek: First Contact (1996)
That sounds EXACTLY like what has happened with Leland.
What we know is that in the future where Control evolved and assimilated the sphere data the first time it wiped out all life.
What we don't know is what the future would look like now with Control having gone back in time and assimilating Leland.
Just because we are told of a future where one thing happens doesn't mean it will happen that way. Remember that in the original timeline the Federation defeated the Sphere-Builders at the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century but now that doesn't happen because the Enterprise and Archer defeated the Sphere-Builder/Xindi Alliance in the 22nd century?
This season of Discovery is seeping with time travel, its the entire backbone of the story. What if this ends with Control-Leland being sent back in time thousands of years to a planet in the Delta Quadrant? Control already stated that taking human form gave it a new perspective and advantages, how do we know that doesn't change its base mission to assimilation rather than destruction? Aren't they, at the end, the same to a degree?
We know from Seven that early Borg records are fragmented and incomplete. They don't know their origins. Hell, they don't know much from even the 15th century. For all we know Control-Leland is critically damaged, sent back in time, and its last act is to assimilate an alien woman who comes across him (or maybe Gabrielle Burnham if she is sent back with him), thus making the first Borg Queen.
Add to this that Control is a concept from the novels lifted mostly intact and the same author who created control, David Mack, also is the one who created the human-time travel origins for the Borg in the novels.
Leland definitely had his individuality erased, but how? Not by being linked to a hive mind. Is he conscious? Control said it needed a face and body, not a mind.
To me, it sounds like what happened to Leland was a sophisticated version of Ferengi shenanigans.
I just don't like that it puts it as Humans created the Borg.. that we're responsible for trillions of deaths.. that and.. we're not responsible for EVERYTHING in the universe.. sometimes the universe just has a dark moment.. not our fault!
It's not the Borg. This is, as has been mentioned, a red herring. At least that's what I think.
Nah, they just want you to think its a red herring. Watch, there won't be any direct connections until the very end of the season in a post-credit scene. It'll end with Gabrielle sacrificing herself to pull Control-Leland into a temporal storm to, the knowledge of the Disco crew, their destruction, but in reality far into the past deep in the Delta Quadrant.
I’m guessing Control will not be Borg, and vise versa.
Any suggestion within DSC will be a misdirect, I’m betting.
Of course: I could well be wrong about this...
Any suggestion within DSC will be a misdirect, I’m betting.
Of course: I could well be wrong about this...
How many of these theories have actually panned out anyway?
The nanites just seem to be one more "kind of" reference rather than the beginning of anything actual. I'm putting this on the list with Iconians, Preservers, Ferengi, The Albino, and Armus. All things that have been floated as "It's gotta be!" by people on the board. (And yeah, there's still time for one or more of these to be true.)
The nanites just seem to be one more "kind of" reference rather than the beginning of anything actual. I'm putting this on the list with Iconians, Preservers, Ferengi, The Albino, and Armus. All things that have been floated as "It's gotta be!" by people on the board. (And yeah, there's still time for one or more of these to be true.)
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