V: "It's Only the Beginning" 11/24/09 - Grading & Discussion
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How bad of a shot is Georgie? If they shoot like him in the 5th Column, humanity is screwed.
Finally watched it tonight. Major improvement over the previous 3 episodes. The characters are becoming more meaningful to me, although the Tyler romance still seems strained. Gotta laugh at the Vs using sharpened sticks and pipes to kill people. The only good reason, I guess, would be to make it appear as though other humans were responsible.
Now... is it really going to be able to maintain this kind of momentum after a 3 month hiatus?
Now... is it really going to be able to maintain this kind of momentum after a 3 month hiatus?
Good question.
Storing new shows on TiVo for a while as I do, I watched all 4 episodes last night for the first time. I'll just say overall it's pretty decent, and I'm interested to see where it goes.
But when I saw the continuation is in March of 2010....seriously, WTF??? Why are they doing that? I'm sure you have all discussed this before somewhere, but avoiding spoilers has its price.
I think waiting until March to continue is stoopid.
Which is also interesting when you remember that The Cadet uniforms and the big transport shuttles from the new Star Trek movie looked like the Visitor uniforms and fighter ships from the original V.
Okay, a reasonable start. Not going to be one of the top tier of sci fi shows, but it should be perfectly watchable for as long as it lasts. I give the whole thing a somewhat-generous "Above Average."
I was hoping for a more shocking cliffhanger - that the V's had some truly squicky medical-type plan underway - I guess we have to wait for that.
Tyler was less annoying this time, probably because he's getting more believable as the starry-eyed, easily duped teenager, and the threat to him is getting clearer. Of course when a hotty alien chick is dangled in front of him, along with the lure of interstellar travel, he's going to fall for it. Wouldn't anyone? The V's aren't exactly twirling their mustaches and Erica sensibly hasn't let her teenage son in on the resistance movement. What basis does he have for suspicion, especially now that Mom is getting to be even more of an absentee parent? This is the Luke Skywalker story, except Obi-Wan and Princess Leia are Siths. Poor kid doesn't stand a chance.
Ryan is starting to develop more as an interesting character, and the tense alliance between him and Erica should become interesting, especially if they kill Georgie off, thus leaving Ryan without an old buddy among the humans to vouch for him. Erica is never going to fully buy the idea that Ryan isn't a double agent.
As for Erica, I don't really like Elizabeth Mitchell's zen-like approach to the role. Erica should be far more edgy and twitchy, more Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley-like. Nobody should be that calm under the circumstances.
The alien Fifth Columnists on the ship are pretty bland. I'd really like Alan Tudyk to come back, regardless of how they need to arrange it.
Since the V's scanned Chad, I suppose that rules out him being a V (unless Anna was aware of it all along) and therefore John May must be someone else. He's probably in the same boat as Tyler - they're planning for him to be among the first human candidates to be somehow brainwashed by the V's or perhaps even altered physically. Chad's value is obvious but I'm still not sure what the deal with Tyler is.
The "Bliss" sequence was the kind of freaky scene that this show could use more of. There's too much plain-vanilla, predictable stuff, like Father Jack being torn between his peaceful religious vows and the perfectly reasonable and understandable need to kick ass, and the of-course pregnancy plotline.
Since the show isn't coming back till March, I guess it's not getting the post-Lost deathslot? But it's safely on the Renew side of the line.
Because we're looking forward to a bouncing baby lizard. If the kid is normal...what's the point?
I was hoping for a more shocking cliffhanger - that the V's had some truly squicky medical-type plan underway - I guess we have to wait for that.
Tyler was less annoying this time, probably because he's getting more believable as the starry-eyed, easily duped teenager, and the threat to him is getting clearer. Of course when a hotty alien chick is dangled in front of him, along with the lure of interstellar travel, he's going to fall for it. Wouldn't anyone? The V's aren't exactly twirling their mustaches and Erica sensibly hasn't let her teenage son in on the resistance movement. What basis does he have for suspicion, especially now that Mom is getting to be even more of an absentee parent? This is the Luke Skywalker story, except Obi-Wan and Princess Leia are Siths. Poor kid doesn't stand a chance.
Ryan is starting to develop more as an interesting character, and the tense alliance between him and Erica should become interesting, especially if they kill Georgie off, thus leaving Ryan without an old buddy among the humans to vouch for him. Erica is never going to fully buy the idea that Ryan isn't a double agent.
As for Erica, I don't really like Elizabeth Mitchell's zen-like approach to the role. Erica should be far more edgy and twitchy, more Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley-like. Nobody should be that calm under the circumstances.
The alien Fifth Columnists on the ship are pretty bland. I'd really like Alan Tudyk to come back, regardless of how they need to arrange it.
Since the V's scanned Chad, I suppose that rules out him being a V (unless Anna was aware of it all along) and therefore John May must be someone else. He's probably in the same boat as Tyler - they're planning for him to be among the first human candidates to be somehow brainwashed by the V's or perhaps even altered physically. Chad's value is obvious but I'm still not sure what the deal with Tyler is.
The "Bliss" sequence was the kind of freaky scene that this show could use more of. There's too much plain-vanilla, predictable stuff, like Father Jack being torn between his peaceful religious vows and the perfectly reasonable and understandable need to kick ass, and the of-course pregnancy plotline.
Since the show isn't coming back till March, I guess it's not getting the post-Lost deathslot? But it's safely on the Renew side of the line.
I don't think they need to explain a thing. Haven't we seen plenty of stories with the teenage boy who is dazzled by the possibilities of space travel and adventure? James Kirk, Luke Skywalker, the Last Starfighter kid...it's a durable archetype. Nice to see that archetype being turned on its head now. Poor Tyler thinks things will turn out okay because Star Trek and Star Wars tells him so.
Because we're looking forward to a bouncing baby lizard. If the kid is normal...what's the point?
Why do the V's need the human skin. In the original V you see some V's walking around with their reptilian faces, it was easy for them to remove it. In the new series it seems painful for then to remove their skin.
The unreal part of that is that despite being reptilains with probably some facial bumps, none of it shows. Wy would a species wanmt to look like another all the time?
The unreal part of that is that despite being reptilains with probably some facial bumps, none of it shows. Wy would a species wanmt to look like another all the time?
They look like humans in order to
a) Infiltrate human society (Ryan and the other defectors were originally infiltrators presumably working for Anna).
b) Make it easier to manipulate humans. This is also why Anna and the other high-profile V's on the motherships are attractive. Notice how Anna doesn't look old enough to be Lisa's mother by human terms. (The age difference between the actresses is only five years.)
The notion that the human skin is not just a "suit" but grafted onto them more thoroughly is to
a) Make the notion that they could pass medical exams (it's difficult for anyone to totally avoid them in human society) more plausible.
b) Amp up the dramatic angst behind "skinning" as a threat.
a) Infiltrate human society (Ryan and the other defectors were originally infiltrators presumably working for Anna).
b) Make it easier to manipulate humans. This is also why Anna and the other high-profile V's on the motherships are attractive. Notice how Anna doesn't look old enough to be Lisa's mother by human terms. (The age difference between the actresses is only five years.)
The notion that the human skin is not just a "suit" but grafted onto them more thoroughly is to
a) Make the notion that they could pass medical exams (it's difficult for anyone to totally avoid them in human society) more plausible.
b) Amp up the dramatic angst behind "skinning" as a threat.
They want to enslavve humanity but if they wanted the planet that bad why dont they just do the 'Independance day' style attack.
Also what do they eat? They are reptiles afterall. In the original V at least you could see them down gerbils.
At the end of Ep 4 you could see a fleet of thousands of ships converging towards earth. I would say that their planet became inhabitable.
I just don't get the whole 'looking human' all the time and how painful it is for them to remove the skin.
As far as ryan is concerned, I predict the baby to be human looking like 'Elizabeth' in the original V.
Tyler I bet will become an infiltrator after he learns more but now he is just seduced by Lisa (afterall how can you not be seduced by her). But being reptiles don't they have a peculiar odor???
Some details that i'm looking for.
John May Lives !!
Also what do they eat? They are reptiles afterall. In the original V at least you could see them down gerbils.
At the end of Ep 4 you could see a fleet of thousands of ships converging towards earth. I would say that their planet became inhabitable.
I just don't get the whole 'looking human' all the time and how painful it is for them to remove the skin.
As far as ryan is concerned, I predict the baby to be human looking like 'Elizabeth' in the original V.
Tyler I bet will become an infiltrator after he learns more but now he is just seduced by Lisa (afterall how can you not be seduced by her). But being reptiles don't they have a peculiar odor???
Some details that i'm looking for.
John May Lives !!
Actually, in psychotherapy, the moniker client is meant to be less stigmatizing than "patient". It bears no implications of sickness.
Hmm. Some quick research seems to indicate that this is an outmoded concept:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/...cal_association/cmaj/vol-157/issue-3/0287.htm
http://pb.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/24/12/447
According to these studies, most patients (though not all) prefer to be called 'patients' rather than 'client'. The reason I found it objectionable on first blush is because it seemed to foreground the economic relationship between doctor and patient rather than the therapeutic one; but then, I also find the idea of capitalist health care as a whole rather sketchy.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/...cal_association/cmaj/vol-157/issue-3/0287.htm
http://pb.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/24/12/447
According to these studies, most patients (though not all) prefer to be called 'patients' rather than 'client'. The reason I found it objectionable on first blush is because it seemed to foreground the economic relationship between doctor and patient rather than the therapeutic one; but then, I also find the idea of capitalist health care as a whole rather sketchy.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
well now that the thread is back...anyone know when ABC is airing the rest of the season?
Not even the folks on the production side of things know exactly what's going on with it.
cool thanks. I hope it returns, Ive been enjoying it.
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