Did they? Spock didn't come "complete" at the beginning of TOS. Spock evolved quite a bit during "Where No Man..." and the first thirteen episodes of the first season.
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Did they? Spock didn't come "complete" at the beginning of TOS. Spock evolved quite a bit during "Where No Man..." and the first thirteen episodes of the first season.
TOS more or less pretended The Cage didn't exist until The Menagerie
I’m referring to the IRL backstory where they eliminated the character of Number One but gave all her serious attributes to the Spock character. So Spock in TOS is literally a different person from the Spock from The Cage.
Why? CBS has told you that "The Cage" is canon. I thought the official word was what mattered?
Why? CBS has told you that "The Cage" is canon. I thought the official word was what mattered?
I accept The Cage as being canon, I'm pointing out that dramatic change in characters doesn't inherently mean that that means the change can or should be disregarded
If we're going by corporate directives, "The Cage" Spock is every bit as much Spock as any other appearance he makes.
On a personal level, if that version doesn't work within what you consider a consistent character arc, then you're free to ignore it. Or to shunt it off to an alternate timeline.
Troi's Betazoid accent disappears by the time she's on VOY. Characters are full of inconsistencies that never get explained onscreen.
Just saying.
Just saying.
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His first comments were honesty, he didn't change his mind he was told that he was still under contract and if he wanted to stay that way he needed to change his tune.
I have not heard anything about the planned trilogy of Rian Johnson led Star Wars films for a while now, I wonder why that is.
I just hope it hasn't torpedoed Daisy Ridleys career like the prequel films did for Hayden Christensen.
Mind you Rian did bring forth "Subverting Expectations" a saying that will go down in history as an excuse for failure, I saw some clips and that was bad enough and I am by no means a hardcore fan of Star Wars, Disney should consider themselves lucky the brand damage wasn't permanent.
The Mandalorian is bloody great though.
I would love to fail to the tune of $1.2 billion dollars, as many times as possible.
The only reason why the screaming, acid lipped mouth foamers are calling the Star Wars sequel trilogy a failure is because it doesn't live up to their head canon.
Financially they were an overwhelming success. Which is really all that matters for the movie industry
Financially they were an overwhelming success. Which is really all that matters for the movie industry
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I know what you mean.
Many went in expecting a continuation of the Force Awakens which was a solid start, Disney is lucky that the fans took out their disappointment on Solo by avoiding it, rather than taking it out on the Rise of Skywalker which is a shame as Solo is a pretty good film in its own right and Ron Howard should feel hard done by as its not his fault at all.
Did not surprise me when episode 9 went forward without Rian, Disney were never going to let him near episode 9.
Disney had big plans to release many more films, that has all gone down the plughole along with the potential profits, they were going to release a film every year or so, that is a $billion turnover lost for every year they feel they have to wait.
Believe me Disney are most definitely feeling the loss to their bottom line and will continue to do so until they feel confident enough to signal a return to the brand on the big screen.
Still they are free to move forward with TV and that is going well so far with the Mandalorian and the upcoming Marvel TV shows.
It did me. It surprises me when studios learn so little from others flubs. Like Paramount's after a few internet loudmouths scared them off following up on Into Darkness, which is the most successful Trek film to date. Instead, we got Beyond, which was a rather generic outing that pretty much ignored the prior film.
Was Star Wars ever going to be able to support a film every year? If Disney thought so, they severely overestimated the market.
There will be more Star Wars movies, just not one every year.
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I have seen them spew online (it was hard to avoid them at one point) and I have never been a hardcore Star Wars fan (or Star Trek fan for that matter), I am simply not afraid and able to talk about it without going off the deep end, I appreciate some cant do that (Star Trek or Star Wars) because they care so much and I respect that.
The trilogy isn't a failure but episode 8 was a serious misstep, which has been confirmed by Disneys own actions since then, by shelving the brand and politely letting Rian now his services will not be required in a very round about way.
My approach to Star Wars is the same as my approach to Star Trek including Discovery and Picard, I think its great that there are some out there who loved it or perhaps cant bring themselves to acknowledge the issues and that is fine, I have no problems doing that though.
They haven't shelved the brand. And, as far as anyone knows, the Johnson trilogy is still on the table.
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I liked all of the new Star Trek films, they looked and felt like Star Trek and the casting was spot on but inevitably the pressure to release new films (due to actor contracts for instance) can cause scripts to be less than what they should be.
It depends on the films really, they could get away with standalone films based on Yoda, Obi Wan and others but anything more would be pushing it, like I said there was nothing really wrong with Solo it was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Eventually yes but how long they will wait is hard to judge, they may try dipping a toe in the water with an Obi Wan film but at the moment everything is on hold and they seem to have decided to go full tilt on the streaming side instead.
IIRC, there is supposed to be a new movie in either 2022 or 2023.
Ewan McGregor is going to star in a Ben Kenobi TV series on Disney+.
Nothing is "on hold".
Trek stumbled because of it taking too long to get Into Darkness out the door (four years) and Paramount quaking in their boots over backlash from it. The actor contracts didn't come into play until Paramount tried to renege on the deal they made with Chris Pine for Star Trek 4.
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Yeah that is another brand that can suffer from it, it also tends to suffer from fan polarisation, with it being a case of love it without question or hate everything about it, proper marmite territory.
The longer a brand/series keeps going the more likely it is to happen.
I havent watched Doctor Who in a long time (decades), not because I dont like it just that I consider it to be more for kids these days and not my cup of tea.
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Here you go, I had read it before in older articles from last year and went to find them, I didnt realise there was such a recent article on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...wars-break-films-tv-spin-offs-the-mandalorian
Ah, right...he was honest before but lying now.
Disney slowing Dow releases is no secret.have not heard anything about the planned trilogy of Rian Johnson led Star Wars films for a while now, I wonder why that is.
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