USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Rahul]

Yeah, I didn't meant that as a slide against Fuller. Being a creative person and being a business leader are two veeeery different things.

Just my gut feeling is that Bryan Fuller is a very creative person with good ideas and concepts and such. But it seems he just was overwhelmed by leading an entire multi-million dollar production.

 

[DaveyNY]

Yeah, I didn't meant that as a slide against Fuller. Being a creative person and being a business leader are two veeeery different things.

Just my gut feeling is that Bryan Fuller is a very creative person with good ideas and concepts and such. But it seems he just was overwhelmed by leading an entire multi-million dollar production.

It's pretty obvious to me at this point, that Fuller wanted HIS version of Star Trek to look absolutely NOTHING like Gene Roddenberry's version of Star Trek.

 

[Jadeb]

Why did anything look like it did in season one of Discovery? Clearly, someone liked it that way, and it's not just Fuller, because there were some aspects of the look that were going back and forth right up to release.

Yes, there was clearly more than one person who had insufficient respect for the prior work that made their jobs possible, IMO.

Season two did better in that regard, I thought.

 

[Gonzo]

It looked to me like there were too many cooks in the kitchen.

Still does to be honest.

 

[Tomalak]

It's pretty obvious to me at this point, that Fuller wanted HIS version of Star Trek to look absolutely NOTHING like Gene Roddenberry's version of Star Trek.

What do you mean? "Gene Roddenberry's version of Star Trek" hasn't been around since about 1988.

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess he means "Berman Trek" and not specifically Roddenberry. Gene stopped being involved on a daily basis around 30 years ago.

 

[Lord Garth]

These are when the key shifts happen:

"Coming of Age" was the first episode where Maurice Hurley was showrunner. The 19th episode of the first season. It's also the first episode where Rick Berman and Maurice Hurley were promoted to Co-Executive Producers.

Gene Roddenberry stayed credited as sole Executive Producer until the beginning of the third season, when Rick Berman was promoted to an Executive Producer. Maurice Hurley had already left by this point. Michael Piller became Co-Executive Producer starting with "The Bonding", the fifth episode of the season.

Gene Roddenberry died during the production of "Hero Worship", the 11th episode of the fifth season. Richard Arnold, a Consultant who worked on behalf of Gene Roddenberry, was let go three episodes later, after "Conundrum".

Unlike in TNG, where Gene Roddenberry's control was gradually lessened over time, the TOS Movies just ripped the band-aid right off with TWOK and got it over with.

 

[Spaceship Jo]

It's pretty obvious to me at this point, that Fuller wanted HIS version of Star Trek to look absolutely NOTHING like Gene Roddenberry's version of Star Trek.

I'm dubious of this. Since all we saw were things set in motion with Fuller at the wheel but not anything of what he would have actually done with those elements. That's like saying "the Scrooge I know turned out to be decent, but this version by Fuller he's just a mean guy" even though all you have of Fuller's Scrooge is the casting and costuming and zero of his script. It might have made perfect sense if he'd been able to tell the story he'd wanted to tell. He's a brilliant creative mind, but yeah either bad at business, bad at collaboration with a hundred other producers, or both.

 

[DaveyNY]

... clarification...

As an Avid TOS fan, I feel that..

Fuller wanted his to look Nothing, like Gene Roddenberry's Original Series.

I know it's 50 years later, but They could have put a lot more effort in making thing's appear closer to what we've known about the Era for these last Fifty years.
At the very least toss in some background ships that more closely evoke the style.
Even if they ended up being older not much in use anymore, versions.

(and I'm mainly referring to the look of the starships. I'm not against Them adding to the Story/Lore)

 

[Xerxus]

... clarification...

As an Avid TOS fan, I feel that..

Fuller wanted his to look Nothing, like Gene Roddenberry's Original Series.

I know it's 50 years later, but They could have put a lot more effort in making thing's appear closer to what we've known about the Era for these last Fifty years.
At the very least toss in some background ships that more closely evoke the style.
Even if they ended up being older not much in use anymore, versions.

(and I'm mainly referring to the look of the starships. I'm not against Them adding to the Story/Lore)

Fuller actually wanted the show to look much more like TOS... And various other points in the timeline.

He specifically wanted the uniforms to be more color accurate.

We don't know what ended up on screen was reflective of what Fuller wanted at all. Like Lorca was originally going to be fully from the Prime Universe.

https://trekmovie.com/2017/07/28/br...trek-discovery-included-going-beyond-tng-era/

 

[Lord Garth]

Interesting. Bryan Fuller was fired in October 2016 and filming didn't begin until January 2017. So he was gone before a single frame was shot.

 

[Tuskin38]

But close enough that things were probably already being produced (props, makeup, costumes). There is a picture he posted in August 2016 of what some people assumed was WIP Andorian makeup. But the final Andorian makeup antenne dont look like that.

 

[cooleddie74]

The final Andorian makeup design was closer to what we saw on ENT. For all the issues I have with DSC's aesthetic choices the Andorian makeup isn't one of them(except for the contact lenses - they'd look better and more in-line with the other Andorians in the franchise with normal human-looking eyes).

 

[Xerxus]

There's evidence that when Fuller departed, so did others.

Here's Gersha Phillips.

To start with, I’d love to know how the new uniforms were influenced by previous Star Trek costumes, and whether there was anything you tried to avoid.

I wasn’t the first designer who worked on them, so I’m not sure what the mandate was from Bryan Fuller for those [earlier] ones. When I took over, our mandate was to do something that felt real. There was a lot of talk of looking at Ripley from Alien. This idea of grounding something in reality, and still honest to the Starfleet look and feel.

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-trek-discovery-costume-designer-interview/

 

[Lord Garth]

There's evidence that when Fuller departed, so did others.

Here's Gersha Phillips.

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-trek-discovery-costume-designer-interview/

I think I read this interview before. Truthfully, I agree with everything Gersha Williams said. I'm a fan of the DSC aesthetic. Especially when it comes to the wardrobe design.

 

[Paul755]

I seem to remember Fuller tweeting out a picture of uniform tops that looked very much like the Cage/WNMHGB uniforms style wise but in the TOS colors.

While I like a lot of the Disco designs, I do wish they had stuck closer to TOS designs. Both in uniforms and ships. Especially the Discoprise.

 

[Phoenix219]

If they had used more standard uniforms and a mix of Klingon make up, I don't think the show would have garnered a fraction of the hate that it did. If they were insistant on their new blue ENT extrapolated uniforms, they could have avoided most conflicts by setting it before The Cage.

 

[F. King Daniel]

He specifically wanted the uniforms to be more color accurate

Fuller's uniforms were the Disco ones we got, minus the bling and in mustard, light blue and grey. There's concept art floating about showing the colours (and test footage of Saru with his original multi-eye makeup in a grey prototype uniform) and the light blue uniforms were used n the background of the ceremony scene at the end of season one.

 

[cooleddie74]

I seem to remember Fuller tweeting out a picture of uniform tops that looked very much like the Cage/WNMHGB uniforms style wise but in the TOS colors.

While I like a lot of the Disco designs, I do wish they had stuck closer to TOS designs. Both in uniforms and ships. Especially the Discoprise.

This.

If there were just more TOS and TOS Pilot callbacks the new designs would be more palatable. The almost complete rejection of the 2254-65 aesthetic doesn't help the show when it comes to the established fans who love TOS.

It never hurts to do little things to please the old timers who are still around in large numbers.

 

[fireproof78]

The almost complete rejection of the 2254-65 aesthetic doesn't help the show when it comes to the established fans who love TOS.

It depends, greatly, on the fan. I love TOS, but I can get onboard with DSC's aesthetic, even if it could have been better.