I think it would be comparable to trying to follow some obscure Franz Joseph blueprints most people are not even aware of to the tiniest detail.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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And yet TOS contradicted itself all the time, evolving as it went along. I took your post as making a parallel between the two, even considering my post to be rather redundant, and here you disagree.
Our first image of STO's model
Do you have a link to the original article or site?
It's part of the new roadmap.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/s...-star-trek-online-spring-and-summer-road-map!
Thanks for the info.
The continuity and world building is rather pointless as well. The only reason to object to the Klingons has nothing to due with getting them "right" but because the actors are limited in their emoting. This is the logic that I see in this argument. I do not agree with it.
Well, yeah, all the series contradict each other, especially in their early seasons when they still have to find themselves (how many photon torpedoes did VOY have? Also, the Dominion war is awkardly only in DS9 a big deal). TOS is in this regard not really worse than any other series - except maybe for some naming conventions in the beginning (UESPA instead of Starfleet etc.), which can be easily handwaved away (we don't know really the organizational structure of Starfleet).
But as far as aknowledging goes - TOS is really the one thing connecting the Trek 'verse. The Kelvin timeline and the DISCO-timeline have some fundamental discrepancies (contact with the Klingons, Spock serving under Pike, Vulcan getting blow'ed up) - but even these two, most incompatible iterations of the Trek verse - share one common element: In both their continuities, TOS has taken place.
Completely agree that DIS plays more loose with current canon "rules" - figuring how the different iterations of, say, the Enterprise fit together takes a backseat to what the creators want to show this week, and the fans can figure it out for themselves. Which is not a bad approach. But even then, TOS, which also played looser with it's universe-building rules and put more focus on each individual story, was better integrated with each contemporary iteration, by aknowledging changes (the "refit"), or straight up showing the original one (TNG "relics", DS9's "Trials & Tribbleations" and ENT's "Mirror Darkly"). DIS really is the odd one out (which is completely fine BTW).
Being the first really helps in that regard, but so what? Anything after TNG, chronologically, acknowledges it as well. Same for DS9 and the Dominion War, etc.
I'm sorry, what? TOS has _not_ taken place in the Kelvin timeline since the change occurs several decades prior to it, and the latest movie, Beyond, is still a few years prior to it. Hell, even The Cage doesn't occur, given that the Enterprise is christened in 2258, four years after the events of the pilot in the Prime timeline.
Is it not backstory for Spock Prime?
Who comes from a different timeline, yes. But then so's the rest of the Prime series, including Discovery.
I thought @Rahul was pointing out that TOS is the thing both Disco and Kelvin built primarily upon.
...And explicitly so: there are images directly lifted from TOS or the TOS movies (describing, characters, props, ships etc) shown in full glory and detail in both of those spinoffs.
No spinoff so far has managed to avoid being in direct continuation of TOS. To our knowledge, none have tried, either. But "effort" shouldn't play much of a role there: even major inconsistencies are merely consistent with the built-in inconsistencies of the source material.
So every spinoff is a visual reboot (although TNG, DS9 and VOY may be clustered to represent but one, while the TNG movies represent several). And every visual reboot makes direct visual reference to TOS (again with the clustering, as VOY is the one and only show that did not actually include explicit TOS visuals while TNG and DS9 both did). If one or more of these are supposed to somehow be "their own thing", it takes a lot of effort to establish this (say, one quarter of the 2009 movie dedicated to hammering in the fact that this is an alternate timeline with alternate takes on our main heroes, different from the explicit other ones who very much exist in the context), while the reverse just happens automatically.
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No spinoff so far has managed to avoid being in direct continuation of TOS. To our knowledge, none have tried, either. But "effort" shouldn't play much of a role there: even major inconsistencies are merely consistent with the built-in inconsistencies of the source material.
So every spinoff is a visual reboot (although TNG, DS9 and VOY may be clustered to represent but one, while the TNG movies represent several). And every visual reboot makes direct visual reference to TOS (again with the clustering, as VOY is the one and only show that did not actually include explicit TOS visuals while TNG and DS9 both did). If one or more of these are supposed to somehow be "their own thing", it takes a lot of effort to establish this (say, one quarter of the 2009 movie dedicated to hammering in the fact that this is an alternate timeline with alternate takes on our main heroes, different from the explicit other ones who very much exist in the context), while the reverse just happens automatically.
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Archer has all the rights to gloat after all that UPN and the fanbase put his series through.
FTFYArcher has all the rights to gloat after all that UPN and PART OF the fanbase put his series through.
(I liked ENTERPRISE from the get go, not including TATV)
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I found the show to be fine myself, the first season was slow and the Xindi storyline put me to sleep but it did improve eventually, the Romulan/Vulcan and Temporal Cold War storylines were great.FTFY
(I liked ENTERPRISE from the get go, not including TATV)
The one aspect I could not stand was the theme song, it put me off from the moment it first played, it's not that it's a bad song or sung badly it's just that it had no business being played during any sci-fi series never mind Star Trek and when I heard it for the first time I thought it was a joke or I was on the wrong channel.
Can you imagine if that was played at the start of Star Wars or Babylon 5.
It didn't help first impressions at all, I do wonder who exactly decided it would be a good idea to use it, would be nice to find out and hear what other songs were considered as well.
The one aspect I could not stand was the theme song, it put me off from the moment it first played, it's not that it's a bad song or sung badly it's just that it had no business being played during any sci-fi series never mind Star Trek and when I heard it for the first time I thought it was a joke or I was on the wrong channel.
Can you imagine if that was played at the start of Star Wars or Babylon 5.
It didn't help first impressions at all, I do wonder who exactly decided it would be a good idea to use it, would be nice to find out and hear what other songs were considered as well.
It was supposed to be "Pop culture", "Cool", bring Trek into 2000s, blah blah blah. Together with dropping the name "Star Trek" from the title it was some badly done marketing. But ultimately those things in of themselves didn't do as much damage to Star Trek as uneven storytelling in early seasons and fact that it was on UPN (a bad idea in retrospect). The series is entirely serviceable and give the chance to extend to seven seasons could be on par with rest of Trek lore. But it's all history now..
It put me off at the start as well but later I played it in my Trek playlist and gradually learned to like it very much, which led me to realise... who cares? The song represents Star Trek very well and fit the show it was composed for. My early reaction was basically the equivalent of "them damned kids and their loud music these days!" which is not very smart.
The opening song is the least offensive part of ENT. It baffles me to this day that it colors judgement so much on the show.
Being as that I've only ever actually listened to the song once (mute and fast forward are your friends) during the first showing of Broken Bow, it doesn't bother me at all. 
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