USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Tuskin38]

The pylons are not completely split though, the hole doesn’t go from top to bottom.

FYI I don’t like the hole either. I also don’t like that the Pylons are TMP shaped.

John Eaves didn’t like that change in shape either, he has said that his final submitted design had them straight like TOS. It was the show’s SFX team that made them TMP shaped.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

It was the show’s SFX team that made them TMP shaped.

Off with their heads!

Well, probably a bit harsh - but didn’t the Eaves NX-01 design have a gap in the nacelle pylons?

 

[Tuskin38]

The hole in the pylons was Eaves design, I’m just talking about the shape, that wasn’t him.

 

[BillJ]

Well, probably a bit harsh - but didn’t the Eaves NX-01 design have a gap in the nacelle pylons?

Just one of his concepts. The NX-01 has TMP pylons.

 

[Tuskin38]

The final NX-01 design wasn’t eaves though.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

The hole in the pylons is all Eaves, I’m just talking about the shape, that wasn’t him.

Ah ok my bad. I think I’d dislike the design less if the pylons were straight.

Also you’re right in that the split doesn’t run from the top to the bottom all the way - I’d not noticed that. That makes me question its purpose even more...! So many questions for a ship we’ve only seen for like two minutes

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Just one of his concepts. The NX-01 has TMP pylons.

Yeh sorry I’d got my wires crossed above haha! The point I was trying to make was that eaves seems to like gaps in his pylons - which don’t make no sense in muh brain - but we could (but shouldn’t) go deep down the rabbit hole of “does it make sense to put the engines on pylons in the first place” which I think has been discussed on a message board somewhere...

 

[BillJ]

Yeh sorry I’d got my wires crossed above haha! The point I was trying to make was that eaves seems to like gaps in his pylons - which don’t make no sense in muh brain - but we could (but shouldn’t) go deep down the rabbit hole of “does it make sense to put the engines on pylons in the first place” which I think has been discussed on a message board somewhere...

I believe the original thinking was that mixing matter and anti-matter was dangerous, so they kept them as far away as possible from the inhabited sections of the ship. Though that changed during TOS.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ah ok my bad. I think I’d dislike the design less if the pylons were straight.

Also you’re right in that the split doesn’t run from the top to the bottom all the way - I’d not noticed that. That makes me question its purpose even more...! So many questions for a ship we’ve only seen for like two minutes

Eaves said he imagined the pieces creating the hole having some functional purpose that I can't remember what it was.

He also envisioned the smaller part removed later on so the pylons would look even more TOS, but he's not a producer/writer so what he thinks isn't canon.

 

[Belz...]

They can put anything they want on the ship, but it'd be nice if they did it with a little style and grace. They didn't.

I actually like the new design, but yeah, I wouldn't call it graceful, unlike the motion picture ships.

I agree, and what's more, they gave their NX and Refit design dual Pylons to the Nacelles? Really? Why? The Refit from the Movies didn't have two pylons to the Nacelles..so why have them on what is supposedly the TOS enterprise? Doesn't fit canon or engineering logic. If two pylons is advanced, then why would they end up with a single on the Kirk refit? Does that mean in this lie of a TOS continuity, that the refit will have the double pylons in the future?

You're over-thinking this. They changed things retroactively.

This is so wrong, and yet people still defend this as original universe. At this point, it's obvious it's not.

Your conclusion does not follow from the premises. That they changed things retroactively doesn't mean it's a new universe.

It points to a serious lack of imagination that pretty much plagues the entirety of Discovery. Like I said before, you had two small ports on the TOS Enterprise that could move the ship to near the speed of light, it sparked the imagination. Now? You just have six glowing red rockets.

I suppose you dislike the two glowing red rockets on the TMP version. And what does that have to do with lack of imagination?

 

[BillJ]

I suppose you dislike the two glowing red rockets on the TMP version.

I've never been a fan of the TMP version of the ship. The impulse deck is pretty high up the list of things I don't like, though at least they didn't super-size it.

And what does that have to do with lack of imagination?

They gave us basic red rockets. Which is a lack of imagination.

 

[Tuskin38]

They gave us basic red rockets. Which is a lack of imagination.

How is that a lack of imagination?

The only post-TMP Federation ship I can think of off the top of my head that lacks red impulse engines is the Nebula, and some shuttle craft.

Asking them to remove the glowing impulse engines at this point would be like asking them to remove the warp nacelles. They're part of the Star Trek design language.

 

[XCV330]

You don't seem to grasp the idea of visual reboots or retcons, even though they've been discussed countless times already. The producers of a show or the author of a work can change things retroactively as he or she sees fit.



If you want primitive, I would've prefered using the Conestoga design for NX-01.

Or the similar Discovery Class

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[Tuskin38]

The Discovery is the Conestoga

Or not? Memory-Beta treats them the same, but the one in the video looks more, TOS.

 

[Jadeb]

I've never been a fan of the TMP version of the ship.

I think the TMP ship improves some things on the original, but it's always seemed really static to me. I really miss the movement of the glowy red nacelle caps -- they give life to the TOS design.

The refit looks better in pictures (or sitting still) than in motion, IMO. When moving, it feels very much like a model.

 

[Tuskin38]

I really miss the movement of the glowy red nacelle caps

I love that they kept that for the DSC Connie.

The NX-01 has it as well, but it isn't very noticeable

 

[Belz...]

I've never been a fan of the TMP version of the ship. The impulse deck is pretty high up the list of things I don't like, though at least they didn't super-size it.

At this point I have to ask: what DO you like? If you dislike the movies' designs and the modern designs, what's left? TOS? TNG? Hey, the 1701-D had red impulse engines!

They gave us basic red rockets. Which is a lack of imagination.

Do you have any idea what actual rockets look like? They don't look like that. And you still haven't explained how this is lack of imagination. You simply repeated it.

 

[Belz...]

I think the TMP ship improves some things on the original, but it's always seemed really static to me. I really miss the movement of the glowy red nacelle caps -- they give life to the TOS design.

The refit looks better in pictures (or sitting still) than in motion, IMO. When moving, it feels very much like a model.

Which is an ironic statement, given that the TOS ship looks more like a model than any other Trek vessel.

I think the TMP ship is the single greatest starship design in fiction history.

 

[XCV330]

This is ofcourse, ignoring the glaring issues with Burnham and Sarek..seriously thinking about his ward, and not his own son when sarek thought he was dying?? Yea..no..

Sarek regarded Burnham as his adopted daughter, whether he said so or not, and this was logical. He felt intense regret over what he'd done, as it truly was a terrible thing to do. The fact that you might not be able to comprehend that is telling.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

I believe the original thinking was that mixing matter and anti-matter was dangerous, so they kept them as far away as possible from the inhabited sections of the ship. Though that changed during TOS.

I remember seeing a clip (might have been in the 25th anniversary show) where one of the designers or production guys on TUC was talking about the fact that the engines had to be kept away from the ship because they warp space and that’s why the pylons were away from the saucer.

But then they made ships like the defiant (class) and (inexplicably) the Shran where that didn’t seem to matter any more