USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Well, now we know...canon is ruined
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Well at least they admitted they made the Enterprise larger, was pretty clear to me as soon as I saw it from on screen footage.Well, now we know...canon is ruined
It would have been a minnow otherwise, wonder how big it actually is.
Overall I really liked the new Enterprise.
As one of the reactions on that article said: First they say it's the Prime Universe, then they talk about changing the Enterprise to fit into "our" (Discovery's) universe.
I have no problem with DSC being a parallel universe where the same events all happened and only the look is different (if that's what they were going for), but this obvious double-talk's only bringing to mind a certain phrase about smelly yellow fluid and being told it's raining.
I have no problem with DSC being a parallel universe where the same events all happened and only the look is different (if that's what they were going for), but this obvious double-talk's only bringing to mind a certain phrase about smelly yellow fluid and being told it's raining.
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To quote the first comment under the article (from one Benjamin Adams, to give credit where due):
"Ok. Look. They say it’s the Prime Universe. Then they talk about how they changed the Enterprise design to bring the ship into “our universe.” (“Ours” as in Discovery’s universe.) My head hurts."
(ETA: whoops, someone just beat me to it!...)
"Ok. Look. They say it’s the Prime Universe. Then they talk about how they changed the Enterprise design to bring the ship into “our universe.” (“Ours” as in Discovery’s universe.) My head hurts."
(ETA: whoops, someone just beat me to it!...)
You know what? I'm completely fine with that. The "official" (though never mentioned on screen anyway) length of 300+ meters was ridiculous and didn't fit the sets anyway. To make her a reasonably 50% bigger is not just "acceptable", but actually even an improvement.
Why do I have the feeling they invested a LOT more time, energy and thoughts in (re-) designing the Enterprise (and the Shenzhou for that matter), than they ever did to finish the design of their main hero ship of the show, the Discovery?
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Yeah about +50% more or less which would make it around 450-500m long.
It is easier to create a new ship than it is to use another older design due to all the extra considerations needed in doing so.
I love the Discovery myself, it looks newer and more advanced and that's fine by me.
The problem with the Discovery as a ship so far is this: Nobody actually ever designed her.
It's actually kind of amazing. For the Shenzhou, there exist multiple drafts, undil they ended up with the (good looking) finished final design. The Discovery though?
If you look at Eaglemoss' starship book about designing her - there DON'T exist any final drafts for the design! The (horrible) version for the Comic-Con teaser trailer was slapped together based on an even then earlier draft.
And the final design is just that: Exactly the same CGI model as the Comic con version, only with additional cut-outs and swapped out warp nacelles. No one ever actually fully designed that ship.
Not that it was good to begin with. I hope they redesign it right out of the show.
I'm glad they admit that the world of Discovery isn't the world of The Original Series.
Yeah, this size quote does bug me. I've been willing to cut them some slack on this up until now but sheesh...they really are going out of their way to shoot themselves in their collective foot.
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The original draft was horrible but I am happy with the changes they made and the finished product.
It was designed by degrees over time, possibly by multiple people as we know there were changes in staff and network issues during production.
Will be interesting to see the official size of the Enterprise.
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I won't lie, I liked the Comic-Con trailer Discovery's warp nacelles a lot more than I do the ones on the finalized design but neither ship is what I'd have used in the series. I was never a fan of Ralph McQuarrie's 1970s design for the reimagined Enterprise and still don't like it, but the ship is what it is and we're stuck with it. She's not going to change short of an in-universe refit and who knows if that will ever happen. The lead ships in the other series were never changed that drastically during the original runs of their respective shows.
Equivocating two meanings of "universe". They didn't mean that it's in a different timeline, just that they've updated the designs and they wanted it to fit with the rest. Their "universe" is their vision for modern Trek.
Yeah, nobody did this. Synonyms, people.
Sheesh, Trekkies sometimes...
Quite an interesting article all the way through.
I'm okay with the Enterprise being larger.
They insist that Discovery is in the prime timeline....we'll see how well that plays out.
They're talking about changing the uniforms. I want this:
As I just posted in another thread, the length of the original Enterprise can be clearly seen on the tri-screen monitor in "The Enterprise Incident". Also, this length is consistent with the dimensions shown of all the Enterprises shown on the 1701-D conference room wall in TNG.
I don't buy that. Why would they make a model from an older design when they were already past that design stage? Why not base it on what they were working on at that time.
That's at least what it says in the magazine
Also it's not that surprising - The Comic Con version looks like it was slapped together over a long weekend to have something they can present on stage. They already confirmed that part - how the whole teaser was basically a rush job. Whichever VFX guy did that was probably not completely in the loop of which version the producers greenlight the latest - he probably based the model on the last version he saw that was approved.
The only, truly, surprising part is that they didn't move on from that CG model. Normally, I would expect the designer to finish it's work, and then the vfx guys start on a completely new 3d model, and try to polish it up until production.
But instead, they apparently used the already dated model, and tried to "fix" it until it looks screen ready. Which is IMO INSANE. It'd be like someone seeing this concept model of the Voyager:
And then deciding "Welp, we already have finished model, let's just polish and and use that" - And then have the whole departmen trying to re-paint it and trying to rig up electronics and lightening - instead of just starting with the new experience from scratch for a REAL model.
But instead, the "final" Discovery cgi model really IS the slapped together Comic Con version - only slightly polished, with new textures, cut-outs, new nacelles, and a bit of re-working around the neck region.
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