USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[cooleddie74]

Well, like I said, I don't think ENT's explanation is the best possible explanation, Klingon-wise. But it's still an improvement over what we had before.

Pretty much. And at least the ENT explanation used both of the theories postulated by O'Brien and Bashir when they questioned Worf on DS9. It answered the question, solved the mystery and also gave a respectful nod to DS9, a series that never even had an Augment Klingon before Season 5 and would never show one after that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Romulan fusion was always just .

Not gonna lie, I've had those books for years and years and never noticed the Romulan Fusion's hair until now!

 

[Ronald Held]

It was me, I wanted to compare with this angle

I will try for that orientation.

 

[Belz...]

Doesn't this come pretty close?

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x02hd/theenterpriseincidenthd0010.jpg

 

[GNDN18]

 

[lawman]

Yeah, the neck length definitely makes a difference. Hard to put a finger on, but the Enterprise looks more dignified and majestic as a taller ship. When it's short and squat it looks more... menacing, somehow.

 

[Belz...]

Yeah, the neck length definitely makes a difference. Hard to put a finger on, but the Enterprise looks more dignified and majestic as a taller ship. When it's short and squat it looks more... menacing, somehow.

I agree. I would've prefered if they had kept the neck taller.

 

[Belz...]

Which, if you look carefully, are neither completely round (but a square/round hybrid, almost like Voyagers) and, most importantly, not drop-shaped, but completely straight from front to rear.

For some reason I thought about this again today. That's not true at all. The NX nacelles are tapered, becoming thinner towards the back end, same as the others. They're also completely round. So I don't know what you're looking at, but I'm looking at the actual shooting CGI model.

 

[Tuskin38]

I found that I already had a model, it isn't textured though

That's interesting, Even though the bridge module is smaller, the saucers are still roughly the same height, must be the way the saucer rises on the new one (this is assuming the rims of the saucers are the same height)

 

[Rahul]

For some reason I thought about this again today. That's not true at all. The NX nacelles are tapered, becoming thinner towards the back end, same as the others. They're also completely round. So I don't know what you're looking at, but I'm looking at the actual shooting CGI model.

Look at it again. Preferably at clear orthos (frontview, sideview).

 

[Tuskin38]

Look at it again. Preferably at clear orthos (frontview, sideview).

They're very very slightly tapered towards the end. This is from an ortho of the screen used CG model.

Also here is the front

 

[Ronald Held]

Anyone still need more images in certain orientations?

 

[Rahul]

They're very very slightly tapered towards the end. This is from an ortho of the screen used CG model.

It's preeeeeety straight lined.
Can you by chance add a view from the back? Because the bronze ring in the front indeed makes it look more round than it actually is in this view.

I still stand by my view that it doesn't work nearly as well if combined with more dropshaped cylinder-shapes. It's not that it doesn't work. It's just, the original works better.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's preeeeeety straight lined.

But not perfectly

 

[Tuskin38]

Can you by chance add a view from the back? Because the bronze ring in the front indeed makes it look more round than it actually is in this view.

 

[Rahul]

But not perfect

Nobody disputing that.

Added via Edit:

Thank you for posting these images!
Yeah, this shows a little bit better what I mean: This specific pylon shape (TMP/ENT-style, bent backward, and becoming more wider) needs a more straight/angular finish on the nacelle to work better. Doesn't have to be rectangular, but with this image It's clearly visibly how they used little "tricks" to add more straight lines to make the different styles blend better together.
How well that works (is the NX-01 anyones favourite starship configuration?) is left to personal tastes, and in both cases went a LOT of thought by very talented designers.
But I still prefer the "traditional" nacelle pylon configuration in combination with round nacelles, as was also used on the rebooted JJprise.
YMMV of course.

 

[Tuskin38]

the rear of the nacelle looks like an upside down Gorn

Or maybe Donald Duck

 

[Tuskin38]

EAS has a bunch of Orthos and High-Res reference shots of the NX if you want more

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/nx1.htm

 

[Rahul]

EAS has a bunch of Orthos and High-Res reference shots of the NX if you want more

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/nx1.htm

Ah, THIS:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/drex/nx-01-nacelle-aft.jpg
is a perfect image example to show how they added additional straightened/rectangular lines to the nacelle to make it fit better with those 70s-styled nacelle pylons.

 

[Rahul]

This is interesting! Good work!
I haven't noticed, they actually thinned the saucer section compared to the original, or simply widened her compared with the rest of the ship.
Wonder if they actually scaled her up a bit, to make her and the Discovery more similar scaled in shots together...
I still think she is sin some regards slightly... off. But that may just be because I'm so used to the Matt Jeffries proportions...