Even the 1960's era ones?
Gods no, I said a lot, not all. The jammies are the worse looking things in the film. Ok the kelvinprise may be worse.
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Gods no, I said a lot, not all. The jammies are the worse looking things in the film. Ok the kelvinprise may be worse.
You could make an argument about the transporter rooms (explained in throwaway dialogue, but leaves a feeling that it was more to explain a set that had been made, rather than the set being made to match the script) the very different engines shown across Starfleet vessels, the bridge under the shenzou versus it’s more usual position, and getting to the enterprise herself...the post TMP style of lettering and ship identifiers, versus the videogame esque colours of the shenzou and the huge not-really-usual-in-Trek lettering. I won’t even mention the Klingon ships, that don’t always sit naturally with each other, let alone the rest of the Trek ouvre. The feeling I get is that design parameters were changed radically somewhere as the season progressed, and the overall direction changed (post fuller perhaps.) and that’s why there are indeed these inconsistencies. It’s something we also see in the more radical changes made between the preview DISCO and the show version.
Previous Treks have usually had more internal consistency, though part of that is a side effect of practical models vs cgi models. (Only constitutions for TOS really, the movies and tng always riffed on existing components, but then there’s a broadening off scope for First Contact, a mixture of all of which we see in DS9. Voyager however, is very coherent in its use of clearly related 24th century designs. The Prometheus, the Equinox, the Voyager are all very clearly related in a way that the ships in DSC for the most part are not. Though..phaser strip traditions help a lot in establishing that post-sternbach design school.)
As to Eaves, I am ambivalent. I used to like the E, but every since I realised it felt like someone had stuck the refit constitution and the Galaxy class in a morphing program then stopped it partway, I couldn’t shake the feeling that (a) this probably happened and (b) from a certain perspective, this makes no sense. The gothic sweep arches and irregular cutouts (a trend which increases as he goes) also don’t feel light a natural growth either, though I appreciate the thought and work he clearly puts in. His design seem more retro TMP era that the progression we saw in the Sternbach designed ships. (There’s a lot of the refit and the reliant in the E) This is a side effect of him looking back at the TOS movies as what a motion picture starship should look like versus the TV designs, partially due to direction from producers etc I think.
Am I qualified to think or state these things? Well, some may not think so, but I have enough art and design, plenty of modelmaking, and hundreds of hours spent poring over this stuff like so many of us here, to hazard what might be called an educated opinion.
They would have been better off cutting a deal with Cryptic to borrow Marrone for the ship designs, he has a feel for how and why each eras designs work, and why those design languages form a big part of Treks overall set-up.
They grew on me, faster than the JJ version ones. But mainly at a distance. Close up, it’s just bling.
Are we talking about uniforms? Why? There is no contest:
It looks like he's wearing s cape that got glued to his back and arms. That shoulder...thing...looks awful. Everything below the nips works great though. Doesn't even look that far off from what navy shipboard uniforms used to look like. Like the old WW2 summer blues.
It shares some aspects with Excelsior, particularly the NX version that appeared in the same movie as Grissom.
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M posted these ages ago, but they would be a neat progression of the DSC uniform towards TOS with less metallic elements and pure black pants/boots. Overall the DSC cut is really neat, just needs refinement.
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They would look better without them or with just soild side colors.
And the lack of any readily visible rank insignia. Yeah, I know the round pips are embossed on the Starfleet arrowheads but be honest, how easy is it to see them from any kind of distance? At least on ENT and in the TNG era the rank squares and pips are easily visible and you can more or less tell which rank somebody is supposed to be without having to squint or hope for a closeup that also shows their upper torso.
The DSC uniforms may be my least-favorite of all Starfleet uniforms with the sole exception of the TMP ones.
Now that I think about it, it's entirely possible that the many ship designs we see on DSC might be from very different periods, like maybe up to 3-4 decades apart.
They are not my lest favorite, but I agree about the rank. And I am not sure you could make a worse uniform then the TMP ones
The Shenzhou does look like she was designed in the first few decades after the birth of the Federation. So much of her screams "NX-class tribute" that I wouldn't be surprised if the Walker-class starships were first launched before the end of the 22nd century and much like the Excelsior-class became a workhorse for Starfleet for decades.
Solid colors would be preferable. I prefer the Kelvin ship uniforms,or even the Abrams primary color ones, rather than the more muted DISCO suits.
Gods I hate the kelvin jammies.
Better than the DISCO jammies.
You got that, too?
Oh hell no. Kelvin had some fantastic uniforms, many better than DSC uniforms, so very many better. But the jammies are not among them.
Agree to disagree then
How would you design a uniform?
I took a few swings at it, the last one I went with this fast and dirty and unfinished version. It was more a try at fixing the DSC uniforms. I would go with more than one freaking uniform for one, but this could be the Jacked I guess you would call Class A. With Patches and likely rankings on the shoulders, arm or collar. It would also have a shirt under the jacket.
For Duty Uniforms, I would go something like this, although I may add a belt. And If I ever finish this, jumpsuit. Pretty close to the ENT one in cut as it was damned practical.
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