USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Belz...]

Well, if we are going to get hung up on physics, you've got to throw all Trek starship design out the window anyway. But if we're not, at least the deflector could look cool.

As I said, I agree that it looks better, but I don't mind it if it's done right, and this one doesn't stand out too much. The only thing I'm not sure about this design is the warp pylon gap.

What?

Or "Start Again." There is no other definition of the word - at least not in proper English.

Exactly my point. If you're using a special defnition not in the dictionary, then I guess you could say it's a reboot, but otherwise no, and I've explained why.

 

[shapeshifter]

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It doesn't inspire hatred and malaise in me like how other fans react to design elements they don't like, but I would never buy a toy or a model of that ship.

I didn't like it but in an effort to be fair I bought the model and returned it twice before conceding to the fact I could not stand it.

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Full disclosure: Ship design leaves me firmly in the emotional register of “meh”. If it’s got the basic shape (as this example does), it’s fine by me.

That's me with Uniforms. It's clothing, not high fashion.

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this is about what I expected would show up

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It could use some honing but it isn't ugly.

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Found these renders but couldn't find the original artist (Artist if you made these please say so I can give proper credit). Really neat take on the DSC style on a 1701 layout. The window probably needs to be a bit smaller but overall could very much see this in the new/old 1701 design.
PIKE BRIDGE by Jason Soto, on Flickr
PIKE BRIDGE2 by Jason Soto, on Flickr
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Yes!

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As I said, I agree that it looks better, but I don't mind it if it's done right, and this one doesn't stand out too much. The only thing I'm not sure about this design is the warp pylon gap.

The Original has four rectangular vent features stacked along the inside of each pylon, (they are triangles on the refit) I presume the gaps serve the same function as those features.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

They all have physical deflectors with antennae just like the connie, just with glowy bits like Voyager and the NX-01.

The connie might have glowy stuff behind it but it's hard to tell.

It was not lit and its still archaic looking. Every other ship has a more advanced looking one, the Connie looks like an old style 60's era dish with a retro antenna. It just does not fit.

 

[Tuskin38]

According to John Eaves on Facebook he did work on the new Enterprise, along with Scott Schneider and William Budge.

He hasn't posted anything else about it yet.

Not a lot of FB time lately and so much I want to comment on and hopefully I will have some time this weekend. Wanted to say thanks for all the kind posts and comments on the new Enterprise my great friend Scott Schneider, William Budge, and I got to work on. Lots of fun was had with this wonderful project...

 

[Tuskin38]

Every other ship has a more advanced looking one

How is it any less advanced then the others? They're dishes with antennae.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Something like this is how I think the entire ship should have looked. I'd of course make a few adjustments myself, such as a different neck, curve adjustments to the saucer shape to get rid of the pop scifi 60s shapes, and something a bit more fancy than rectangular pylons, but overall this is in the ballpark of how they should have done it, imo.

Can't say I like this, but the deflector is pure up nice.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

How is it any less advanced then the others? They're dishes with antennae.

Its a 1960 dish that looks like it came out of an old mans yard or off some pre warp, pre NX space junk.

 

[Tuskin38]

According to Scott Schneider's facebook page, it took around 7 months from start to finish to design and build.

He says they're not allowed to post any images or information about it.

 

[Tuskin38]

Its a 1960 dish that looks like it came out of an old mans yard or off some pre warp, pre NX space junk.

1960s? There are modern dishes that look like that.

 

[fireproof78]

According to Scott Schneider, it took around 7 months from start to finish to design and build.

He says they're not allowed to post any images or information about it.

Nice work.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

1960s? There are modern dishes that look like that.

No, they are round, but they don't tend to look like that. Nor does any other ship we saw, it sure as heck looks older than the NX dish.

 

[Jesse1066]

Its a 1960 dish that looks like it came out of an old mans yard or off some pre warp, pre NX space junk.

Dishes are dishes. Is the circle an inherently 1960s shape?

 

[Tuskin38]

No, they are round, but they don't tend to look like that. Nor does any other ship we saw, it sure as heck looks older than the NX dish.

The NX Dish is the TOS dish but squished into a very thin oval.

It even has the 2 rings on it.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Never liked the NX 01 anyway.

 

[PixelMagic]

I've been wanting to sit down and design my own re-imagined Enterprise since 2009. Maybe I should sit down and give it a go. But the problem is I'm pretty lazy.

 

[Jesse1066]

I've been wanting to sit down and design my own re-imagined Enterprise since 2009. Maybe I should sit down and give it a go. But the problem is I'm pretty lazy.

This is something I'd love to see if you do get around to it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Of course you can. But you can't if you decide to depict him, say, wearing leather biker gear and riding a Harley around the country on his political campaign. Or at least, people might reasonably ask if it's intended to be the "same" Abraham Lincoln they know from history.

Yes that would raise questions. But the matter at hand was telling stories using characters who fate/future you know:
@BillJ said "My main concern is storytelling possibilities. Cramming this show into the continuity of other shows takes away so much of the dramatic potential of Discovery. Especially when the show relies on so many already known ideas and characters whose outcomes have already been defined."
So the example still stands.

You seem to be moving your goalposts here. Previously you wrote, "They can do that [a modern take on Star Trek where they can let their imaginations run wild] and call it prime. Prime has nothing to do with changing, updating or adding things." To reconcile these two statements, one would have to infer that you mean (A) letting one's imagination run wild to change, update, or add things (especially in the context of a prequel) does not in any way interfere with (B) working within a setting that consists of a single relatively coherent timeline. That would seem to be the bone of contention here, as to me and many other posters, those two things just don't seem compatible.

I'm not seeing any lack of coherency in the timeline. Just a modernization of visuals and some gap filling.

Perhaps you have some heterodox conception of what "relatively coherent" means? How many retcons can you swallow before you decide you're talking about something substantively new and different? It's like the classic paradox of Theseus's ship, also familiar from George Washington's axe (bonus: Trek reference in the link)

I have a flexible approach to continuity. It's mutable.Call it heterodoxical if you must, but it's a pretty standard approach. Kirk's middle initial can change from "R" to "T". Spock can speak an ancestor being "human" later change that to a parent being "human". He can gain siblings not mentioned previously. Kirk can gain a son by a woman never previously mention. The ship can be powered by lithium and then suddenly dilithium. It's operating authority can change from UESPA to Starfleet with out it ever being mentioned "in-universe". Data's graduation date can be said to be in '78 and then ignored as the 2360s becomes the setting of TNG. Relatively minor tweaks and additions to the continuity with little impact on the big picture.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

The NX Dish is the TOS dish but squished into a very thin oval.

It even has the 2 rings on it.

The fact the NX dish is close but still newer looking is the issue. The Dish we see looks older than the NX version, as you pointed out. Its freaking based on it.

Dishes are dishes. Is the circle an inherently 1960s shape?

It is simply the styling. We have no used dishes like that in decades, modern dishes do not have that simplistic styling, nor does any dish in DSC,

 

[PixelMagic]

It is simply the styling. We have no used dishes like that in decades, modern dishes do not have that simplistic styling, nor does any dish in DSC,

It's mostly the cross section curves.

 

[Tuskin38]

The fact the NX dish is close but still newer looking is the issue. The Dish we see looks older than the NX version, as you pointed out. Its freaking based on it.

How the hell is it newer looking? They’re IDENTICAL.

In fact the connie’s is better because it has a larger surface area.

There is a reason why radio telescopes are round and concave