USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[cooleddie74]

If they'd just throw us some Augment and TNG-style Klingons and show a TOS-style starship or science vessel that'd be a wonderful gesture. It'd go a long way towards showing that multiple aesthetic styles coexist in this timeframe. But...alas. Nothing. At least not yet.

And as much as I like many things about DSC I'm not getting my hopes up too high that we will get those nods.

 

[BillJ]

Ten or so years later the crew compliment of Kirk's Enterprise held 430.

Machinery got smaller. I doubt the size of the ship changed in any substantial way.

 

[BillJ]

If they'd just throw us some Augment and TNG-style Klingons and show a TOS-style starship or science vessel that'd be a wonderful gesture. It'd go a long way towards showing that multiple aesthetic styles coexist in this timeframe. But...alas. Nothing. At least not yet.

Or a true D-7.

 

[cooleddie74]

A Russian bear on a unicycle holding a copy of the teachings of Kahless would be closer to a D7 than that video game monstrosity we saw.

 

[BillJ]

And none of the things that we're debating here make Discovery a bad show. The fan fic quality writing is what sinks it.

 

[Ronald Held]

Still no understanding of why TMP elements need to be incorporate into the 1701.
I just thought of this:The mycillium network exists through all of multiverse. As DSC is jumping between universes and within the PU, there are temporal changes due to jumping in and out of tue PU, forward and backward in time.

 

[BillJ]

I just thought of this:The mycillium network exists through all of multiverse. As DSC is jumping between universes and within the PU, there are temporal changes due to jumping in and out of tue PU, forward and backward in time.

Then it really isn't the Prime universe anymore. And we can't have that. Or plot creativity. Or character motivations that make sense.

It all has to be fan service now.

 

[cooleddie74]

Machinery got smaller. I doubt the size of the ship changed in any substantial way.

If you look at the profiles of the "Cage"-era 1701 and the regular series version of the ship the lengths are pretty much identical to the inch. The warp nacelles get a little shorter when the Bussard collector spikes are removed and the saucer section gets a bit flatter with the smaller bridge module but other than those minor alterations it's pretty much the same ship.

 

[ITDUDE]

Don't forget the Defiant. Though then again, it was built as a dedicated warship.

More like "had good firepower for it's size"
It's all about internal volume. A Galaxy that was refit with same weapons as Defiant, instead of civilian/science stuff (and staff), stuck in all the available space inside the ship, with couple extra warp cores for extra energy reserves, would have 10x firepower of Defiant.

 

[Mudd]

It is a death by a thousand cuts. Any one change, in and of itself, would be tolerable. But, after a while, you begin to get a distinct feel they only care about TOS as far as they can use it to validate their vision.

Well yeah, all the "this fits into canon" business is extemporizing to the extent that it's taken to mean "this will not contradict important previous continuity."

By "extemporizing" I mean it's bullshit.

That being said, whatever Discovery adds is now also canonical, even when it contradictions previous canon. That can happen, has happened and will happen again.

 

[Ronald Held]

Then it really isn't the Prime universe anymore. And we can't have that. Or plot creativity. Or character motivations that make sense.

It all has to be fan service now.

Much time travel in THE PU, without it being called a parallel universe.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Whether canon or not, TOS showed the Constitution class as the front-line, best-of-the-best.

Hmm.... If you stop to think about it....

"Only twelve like it in the fleet",
"He commands not a space ship, but a starship a very special vessel and crew."

Size doesn't matter.

These are all things you tactfully say to someone in order not to hurt their feelings concerning the truth!

 

[Ovation]

Much time travel in THE PU, without it being called a parallel universe.

Technically, each time it happened created a new branch. We simply followed the characters into the new one, rather than staying in the old one (and each new one was "brand new", so imperceptibly different from the characters' POV).

(ducks for cover)

 

[Awesome Possum]

Technically, each time it happened created a new branch. We simply followed the characters into the new one, rather than staying in the old one (and each new one was "brand new", so imperceptibly different from the characters' POV).

(ducks for cover)

That’s actually a class at Starfleet Academy, they tell them to try not to worry about it.

Just like how the transporter sort of kills you and creates an exact duplicate.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Why would gender swapping someone change the events? If the DIS version of the Klingon D7 doesn't make it a reboot then sure as hell Scotty being a woman wouldn't make it one either! It is just updated visuals for modern audiences, man!

Gender swapping changes and totally rewrites a character. That is not a visural update, but a massive alteration of canon.

 

[Longinus]

Gender swapping changes and totally rewrites a character. That is not a visural update, but a massive alteration of canon.

Why? What does the character's gender matter? It does rarely actually affect any events.

 

[Ovation]

Pregnancy could be an issue.

 

[Mudd]

That is generally true.

 

[Emperor Norton]

Alright, this is a reboot that doesn't wanna admit its an alternate reality reboot. Done. Done.

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[Mudd]

For a size difference so large to not be visible, the Enterprise would have to be far closer to the camera than Discovery and not nose-to-nose on the same plane - but we know from Discovery's viewscreen window that that's the case.

Hypothetically, if it were proven bigger (can't wait for the Eaglemoss model!), would you concede that Discovery isn't the same continuity as The Original Series?

The perspective in that shot is more than sufficient to cause the nearer ship to appear considerably larger relative to the more distant.