USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[AaronMorse]

Honestly I'm ok with an update. Starships has always been my thing. The Shepard and Cardenas Classes look fantastic.. If it looks along those lines.. sleek, balanced and sharklike.. id be fine with it. But if it is awkward and an eyesore.. I'll be very sad...disappointed. If they went with something like a TMP Connie and a Shepard class had a baby to create the "Nu Connie" that'd be acceptable.

 

[Gonzo]

Ha, no. It will not be THAT far of a departure. In fact, I've been told it's not even as far a departure as the JJprise. Take the TOS Enterprise and the JJprise and blend them 50/50. That's my guess.



You can believe what you like, but the reason for changes absolutely isn't "because they can."

I LOVE TOS and the TOS Enterprise, by the way. But I understand the need to accept change for modern audiences, and new stuff is just fun anyway.

Yeah they would never go that far, my only real concern is that it doesn't look stupid alongside the Discovery, I have no doubt the producers and designers are well aware of that potential pitfall.

More like the Beyond Enterprise A perhaps, looked great and had a more slimmed down angular appearance than the 2009 ship.

 

[Midquest]

I'm in the camp of "The original would not pass muster with a general audience today." The geometries and the way they combine scream 1960s design principles. Do a formal analysis, a quick heuristic analysis, a viewer response study, whatever--if you simply look at it in context of other designs of its era...it doesn't fit contemporary ideas of what the future looks like. It would look silly. The only reason it might not seem dated to our eyes is that we've been living in a world where that design shaped science fiction, and became shorthand for "the future."

Now, that said, even some small design changes could make it believable and a good fit for contemporary science fiction.

 

[Gonzo]

Honestly I'm ok with an update. Starships has always been my thing. The Shepard and Cardenas Classes look fantastic.. If it looks along those lines.. sleek, balanced and sharklike.. id be fine with it. But if it is awkward and an eyesore.. I'll be very sad...disappointed. If they went with something like a TMP Connie and a Shepard class had a baby to create the "Nu Connie" that'd be acceptable.

This is the most likely result as the styling and textures could be like the Europa we saw that had what looked like cutouts/extensions in the saucer but with the classic Constitution shape, I do wonder about the nacelles though.

 

[AaronMorse]

Oh I can do without the saucer cutouts.. they seem... pointless. (Imho)

 

[Tim Thomason]

The 2009 Enterprise made internal sense, because it was designed and built by different people in a different time with different goals in mind. This Enterprise, if that's what this, is the same ship that Pike commanded three years prior and Kirk will command in 8 years.

I have to figure out why they did such a massive refit and then a retrofit of the ship back to what it was. Everyone says it's not a reboot, and I've been pretty okay with that, easily explaining away most "supposed issues" like Michael and spore drives and even cloaking and Klingons with my own head canon ideas. But a massive change to the Big E would be too much, especially for a show that, despite popular belief, does a pretty good job in referencing and paying homage to all the Star Trek that has come before it.

I mean, here's hoping that it's the USS Farragut, or the ISS Enterprise, or a more accurate Enterprise that passes the dark room squint test.

 

[Hatter76]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

 

[Tuskin38]

The 2009 Enterprise made internal sense, because it was designed and built by different people in a different time with different goals in mind. This Enterprise, if that's what this, is the same ship that Pike commanded three years prior and Kirk will command in 8 years.

I have to figure out why they did such a massive refit and then a retrofit of the ship back to what it was. Everyone says it's not a reboot, and I've been pretty okay with that, easily explaining away most "supposed issues" like Michael and spore drives and even cloaking and Klingons with my own head canon ideas. But a massive change to the Big E would be too much, especially for a show that, despite popular belief, does a pretty good job in referencing and paying homage to all the Star Trek that has come before it.

I mean, here's hoping that it's the USS Farragut, or the ISS Enterprise, or a more accurate Enterprise that passes the dark room squint test.

It's a visual reboot, not a lore reboot. Just because the Constitution looks different doesn't mean it is different from how it was in TOS.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

That's the NX-01 based off John Eaves' concept art.

 

[Tuskin38]

This is the most likely result as the styling and textures could be like the Europa we saw that had what looked like cutouts/extensions in the saucer but with the classic Constitution shape, I do wonder about the nacelles though.

The Discovery's saucer (ignoring the cutouts) is closer to the Connie's, the edge of it is even nearly the same angle.

 

[Gonzo]

Oh I can do without the saucer cutouts.. they seem... pointless. (Imho)

Well the Defiant definitely has them as we saw in the outline in a previous episode but I doubt the saucer is widened as much as we saw with the Nimitz class USS Europa.

I am just not convinced about the round nacelles, the newer and older ships have angular or square nacelles, its going to stick out a bit if the Constitution we see has round ones.

 

[Tuskin38]

I am just not convinced about the round nacelles, the newer and older ships have angular or square nacelles, its going to stick out a bit if the Constitution we see has round ones.

I'm pretty sure that might be the entire point. They want them to be unique.

The Discovery ships still have dome bussard collectors like the Connie.

 

[Gonzo]

That's the NX-01 based off John Eaves' concept art.

Yeah and it is clearly far too small, looks great though and would have been cool as the original Nx01 or refit.

 

[DaveyNY]

That's the NX-01 based off John Eaves' concept art.

I'm very glad that They didn't go with that particular variation.
It's 'too much' like the Constitution for the time period the show was in.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm very glad that They didn't go with that particular variation.
It's 'too much' like the Constitution for the time period the show was in.

I like the nacelles.

 

[PixelMagic]

Canon is defined thus on the Star Trek official website...

""As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the real action series and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines, characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional novels, the Animated Series and the various comic lines are not canon."

Notice it says events. Not visual design.

 

[Hatter76]

lol, well I wasn't seriously suggesting that's the new Enterprise, was a Joke Ahhhhhhh! my Fear of what it would look like, does not look too out of style with Discovery though

 

[Gonzo]

I'm pretty sure that might be the entire point. They want them to be unique.

The Discovery ships still have domed bussard collectors like the Connie.

Just seems strange to me as the Constitutions nacelles weren't unique in TOS (all round) or the original films (squared off) the change was understandable as a visual update and all the ships we saw received the same treatment, I would be fine with it if the Shenzous nacelles had been round as well, it would have tied in nicely with being one of the last ships of the NX01 lineage and the Constitution being 10 years old could be the last class fitted with them.

That's no good though as the Shenzous are angular as well.

It will be fine when shown I am sure, just strange to have one class of vessel with round nacelles when all the ships around them have angular ones even the older classes.

 

[Tuskin38]

lol, well I wasn't seriously suggesting that's the new Enterprise, was a Joke Ahhhhhhh! my Fear of what it would look like, does not look too out of style with Discovery though

It's missing a physical deflector. But yeah.

 

[Hatter76]

It's missing a physical deflector. But yeah.

well I meant at first glance, without thinking much about it