USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Albinator]

It's always interesting for what takes people out of a film. Because, that wasn't my reaction to them in it, so its a different experience for me.

It took me out of the film because it was supposed to be a tense moment as they race off to Scarif, and then they stop to have a cute scene with beloved characters we're supposed to cheer for, and one even spouts a "humorous" line...

I don't and seeing an NX class in DSC would take me out, not because of the self-referential piece but because seeing it still in service would strain suspension of disbelief.[/QUOTE]

Fair points, though certainly subjective. It might make me self-aware while watching, but if it was a simple establishing shot, I would have no problem with it.

I still wouldn't be much of a fan of seeing an NX-ship in active duty (as I was annoyed by the Miranda-classes in DS9), but I do hope a model or something hangs in the background of the meeting room or something.



I was never really bothered by it. Contrary to the midichlorians, the new explanation didn't actually change anything, it just cleared up stuff. The episode itself was also actually quite enjoyable. The explanation itself wasn't exactly needed or super creative, just fanwank. But who can blaim them, they thought Star Trek would end for good for a while, and they gave one final explanation for a little thing that had always bugged fans, and cleared up things for good.

Of couse Discovery now has opened this whole can of worms again, but whatever...

I could see an NX class ship, refitted, being used as an Admiral's ship, or an escort vessel, or maybe used for Starfleet "shuttle" services (ferrying officers to and from various starbases).

 

[Tuskin38]

Could be used as a Cadet ship and museum ship. Sorta of like the USS Constitution of the US Navy.
Something that doesn't leave the solar system.

 

[Rahul]

One difference between the inclusion of an Excelsior and the NX class is what was happening with them the last time they were seen prior to the start of the new series. The Excelsior was brand new in Star Trek III and IV. The Great Experiment. The next step up from Admiral Kirk's ship. By Picard's time it is the older starship that is still holding on, and while there are larger ships, the Excelsior-class can still keep pace with a Galaxy-class most of the time.

The last time we see the NX-class Enterprise, she's being retired because she's obsolete. The new warp 7 starships are coming out and warp 5 is too slow. So it would be less logical to see a stock NX-class floating around in Discovery. The "fan-wank" idea isn't the NX-class floating around. Its the NX-refit (Drexler's refit with the secondary hull) that has never appeared on screen in the canon. While it would seem odd, I would at least like to see that on screen on day. It too would be completely outclassed by whatever warp 7 starship was introduced following the founding of the Federation, but it might be more useful due to the extra space in the primary hull. But it is unlikely, and they'd be running missions like the cargo hauling Miranda-class ships.

There is a major flaw in your argument: It takes into account what happened in "These are the Voyages". NEVER pretend TATV happened!

(Also, the "new" warp 7 ships might use the exact same hull onfiguration as the NX, and only have new engines - the same way a modern B52 is nothing like a WWII-era B52 on the inside, but has pretty much the identical basic configuration. But that's purely speculation)

 

[Tuskin38]

The Enterprise could have retired before getting the refit.

 

[Arpy]

Just had a thought that, 28 pages in, may have already been mentioned: what if TOS' Enterprise was itself a refit of an earlier version? I don't think I saw the Captain April episode of TAS; was there a flashback to his Enterprise? Maybe it was vastly different from Pike's, which was slightly different from Kirk's in TOS, which was vastly different from Kirk's in TMP.

Though, there's not much sense in it being too too different from TOS, if they're going to make a point of introducing it at the end of the series for nostalgic purposes, but whatever they do present can be tweaked from what we remember. ...so long as it's a tweak that leads into Pike's version of the ship, not Kirk's.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I don't think I saw the Captain April episode of TAS; was there a flashback to his Enterprise?

No.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

I've been searching for this image for a while - I came across it a couple of years back - a pretyy good example of a high-definition Constitution-class, or how it might look on film in Discovery - with a few minor alterations:

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I've been searching for this image for a while - I came across it a couple of years back - a pretyy good example of a high-definition Constitution-class, or how it might look on film in Discovery - with a few minor alterations:

That is gonna need far more than "minor alterations" to make it fit.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery looks just as simple as the Connie, shape wise.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Seems like the Enterprise will appear in the prequel novel Desperate Hours. I'm curious if it'll be described as looking noticeably different inside and out to the USS Shenzhou.

 

[Mage]

Seems like the Enterprise will appear in the prequel novel Desperate Hours. I'm curious if it'll be described as looking noticeably different inside and out to the USS Shenzhou.

Where did you hear/read that?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Discovery looks just as simple as the Connie, shape wise.

I will strongly disagree with this. The connie is far, far a more simplistic and archaic design form.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seems like the Enterprise will appear in the prequel novel Desperate Hours. I'm curious if it'll be described as looking noticeably different inside and out to the USS Shenzhou.

That would involve some majorly fanwankish writing.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Where did you hear/read that?

In a Facebook group, although I'm not sure which one. I did some searching around and found this which says the exact opposite, that if TOS elements appear, they won't acknowledge the differences in visuals. My bad for listening to FB people, I guess.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

That would involve some majorly fanwankish writing.

He did the same with his Vangaurd books.

 

[Nate]

At Star Trek Vegas I believe it was presented along the lines of longtime fans will also see characters & starships that they may find passingly familiar. It wasn't specifically said it was Enterprise though.

 

[Tuskin38]

He did the same with his Vangaurd books.

Eh, i'd disagree. Whenever the Enterprise showed up it made sense.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Eh, i'd disagree. Whenever the Enterprise showed up it made sense.

Just have to disagree. It added nothing to the story other than to plug it.

 

[Tuskin38]

Just have to disagree. It added nothing to the story other than to plug it.

They rarely showed up and they were exploring that part of the Galaxy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He did the same with his Vangaurd books.

I don't recall anything overly fanwankish in the handling of the Enterprise in Vanguard.