@PixelMagic could your insider contacts perhaps offer some input on the size issue?
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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No, it works fine in the Prime timeline, which is where it is.
Don't think they'd really know anything about it. Looks slightly bigger than the TOS Enterprise to me, but not near as big as the JJprise.
Because windows are kind of dumb given the circumstances. Then again, so is putting the bridge on top of the ship.
The main thing is that during TOS, a giant HD screen was super futuristic. Now you can grab one even bigger for $3K at a Best Buy. Meanwhile, augmented reality on that level *does* look like the future, so that's what they go with in neuvo Trek.
So dumb in-universe, makes perfect sense production-wise. It's perfectly rational to come down on either side of the argument.
Okay, after seeing the social media reaction had to come here and see what people were saying. Thank you for not disappointing me, Internet.
I kind of like the look of it. Yeah it's got some strong differences from the TOS but I think it still looks nice and more in the "spirit" of the ship than the JJ version of the Enterprise. They shortened the neck, altered the pylons, added some lights and details, but it otherwise looks like the Enterprise and, IMHO, more like the ship than the JJ version. It sort of reminds me of the Gabriel Koerner version of the ship. I think it works within the design aesthetic we've been shown in Discovery.
(And for my own, personal, canon regardless of what the show-runners say, I don't feel Discovery is in "official canon," that is truly what happened in the past of the previous Trek series. There's too many differences :cough:spore drive:cough: that I can't reconcile in my mind and, for me, the look and tone of what I've seen of the show is just off. )
But, as far as the changes upon usless/needless changes they've made in this series to the Trek look, tone and feel, I think this take on the Connie Enterprise is acceptable.
I kind of like the look of it. Yeah it's got some strong differences from the TOS but I think it still looks nice and more in the "spirit" of the ship than the JJ version of the Enterprise. They shortened the neck, altered the pylons, added some lights and details, but it otherwise looks like the Enterprise and, IMHO, more like the ship than the JJ version. It sort of reminds me of the Gabriel Koerner version of the ship. I think it works within the design aesthetic we've been shown in Discovery.
(And for my own, personal, canon regardless of what the show-runners say, I don't feel Discovery is in "official canon," that is truly what happened in the past of the previous Trek series. There's too many differences :cough:spore drive:cough: that I can't reconcile in my mind and, for me, the look and tone of what I've seen of the show is just off. )
But, as far as the changes upon usless/needless changes they've made in this series to the Trek look, tone and feel, I think this take on the Connie Enterprise is acceptable.
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"Yet Another Trek Inconsistency."
Here's my ultimate take on Discovery's version of the USS Enterprise:
I've been a Trek fan for a long time. I've built models, I have numerous versions of the ship (Diamond Select, Playmates, Johnny Whateverthehellitis, Eaglemoss, etc). I grew up drawing pictures of it everywhere. I think I know its lines fairly well.
When the ship first came across my big screen last night, I basically thought it was the TOS Enterprise. My brain knew there were subtle differences, but I didn't pick up on them very consciously. I just knew I liked it...and it was a little different/updated...but that's about it.
That's how I judge them to have done a very good job.
I've been a Trek fan for a long time. I've built models, I have numerous versions of the ship (Diamond Select, Playmates, Johnny Whateverthehellitis, Eaglemoss, etc). I grew up drawing pictures of it everywhere. I think I know its lines fairly well.
When the ship first came across my big screen last night, I basically thought it was the TOS Enterprise. My brain knew there were subtle differences, but I didn't pick up on them very consciously. I just knew I liked it...and it was a little different/updated...but that's about it.
That's how I judge them to have done a very good job.
^My thoughts exactly.
They already buried it. I mean only the top brass and folks already on the project even knew about it. Even the people on the ship likely had zero clue how it was moving other than those that had to know. And classified keeps them from ever talking about it.
And while the bridge on the Defiant on DS9 is technically near the top of the ship it's also positioned more forward in the direction of the nose of the ship, isn't it? The 24th century Defiant-class starships are arguably the most unusual of all Starfleet vessels in terms of overall design since they were originally conceived as a warship loaded with firepower to take on the Borg.
Yep,its in the forward middle section, top deck. Right on top of the ship. They could have buried it mid deck, but its right on top, just not jutting out.
I'll say this, despite the changes at pretty much every level (there's more different to the TOS version than there is the same) at the very least the new Enterprise still looks pretty good. It is pleasing to look at, as opposed to the briefly seen wireframe Disco-Defiant, which I personally found as ugly as hell.
Pass. Not feeling it. Looks too "Buck Rogers"This is getting into the debate that's been raging here for quite a bit.
Discovery absolutely dropped the ball with the aesthetic. People who say "it's the 60s its outdated" don't really know what they are talking about honestly. As I've explained before, mid 20th century design is actually considered very sleek and modern even till this day. You know that little franchise Ikea? The core of it's design philosophy and style was laid down in the 1920s.
You can do 60s and still make it look sleek and cool I've posted numerous images on this board of great 60s sci-fi design that still holds up wonderfully till this day. (avatar included)
How is something like this not just way cooler and sleek than the awful uniforms we get in Discovery? It's the style of the era that TOS was based on (Post-War Sci-Fi) but updated to modern standards.
Great Grandma's attic?Hell Gucci's 2017 collection, guess what it was inspired by, let me see if you can tell?
Knowing what we know now, I'm still curious to see a non wireframe version of the Defiant Connie. In DS9 they had some minor variations of the Miranda class. Some had the TWOK rollbar with the Torpedo launchers. And some without it.
The could have used that a few time in TNG and VOY.
I thought First Contact had the perfect fix for the viewscreen. Just make it a hologram that covers the whole wall top to bottom. But than they had a real view screen from Insurrection onwards and that was the end of that. Pity really. I always liked the idea of the holographic viewscreen. You could turn all the walls on the bridge as a viewer out into space. Elevated console stations would look like they're floating space! You could even do the stellar cartography like scenes from Generations right there on the bridge while plotting the next mission.
Instead we get a window we can't turn off and invalidates The Battle of the Mutara Nebula. Hope the crew don't encounter HAL9000.
Instead we get a window we can't turn off and invalidates The Battle of the Mutara Nebula. Hope the crew don't encounter HAL9000.
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