USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[F. King Daniel]

Does it really matter at this point? I like the TOS Enterprise too, but they'll probably just go on with Discoprise until the new show's end, at which point there will be a throwaway line of a refit before giving the ship to Kirk or something.

Oh I know they'll stick with their design and ultimately, the ship design matters a lot less than the adventures the crew go on. Just wishing they'd gone for something a little taller and prouder.

Also, I wonder if they'll write themselves out of the "No holograms ever again" bit. It seems now they should have saved that gimmick for the end of Strange New Worlds.

It'll save the VFX budget they probably have no regrets

Rumors of them bringing in Kirk are going to muck with the line that Kirk only met Pike when he was promoted to Fleet Captain. Maybe Pike will get a temporary field promotion to fleet captain or something for kirk's appearance.

The line is actually...

MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?
KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.
MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.
KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
SPOCK: Eleven years, four months, five days.
MCCOY: What's his problem, Commodore?
MENDEZ: Inspection tour of a cadet vessel. Old Class J starship. One of the baffle plates ruptured.
MCCOY: The delta rays?
MENDEZ: He went in bringing out all those kids that were still alive. Just wanted you gentlemen to be prepared.

Have Kirk join the crew when Pike is promoted to Fleet Captain as said, and he just stays around until he takes over the Enterprise. It's not much of a fudge. Much worse is the "about your age" bit, which I think makes Pike 9 or 12 or something when he takes command of the Enterprise

 

[Timo]

Well, Mendez speaks in extremely clipped sentences. So obviously he's saying "He got promoted to Captain at about your age, and used to be this big, handsome man, all vital and active - but now he is a vegetable", the information content (and meta message) being "Jim, he used to be you" and the dramatic message being "See, audience, this could be our hero; be glad this didn't happen to HIM".

(I mean, it's plain as day and never was meant to be anything else. Pike isn't big, handsome, vital and active: he's small, ugly, rotting and passive. Mendez is speaking of the past there, no two ways about that.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's certinly no bigger fudge of what's said than potentially having Kirk serve under Pike on the Enterprise.

 

[Timo]

The problem with that one isn't timeline minutiae - it's that having Kirk and Spock serve together before TOS is a fantastically bad idea overall.

Heck, having them even meet before "WNMHGB" is already running contrary to the idea that Kirk wouldn't know anything about who or what Spock really is, until well into the first season of TOS. A chance encounter would be more likely to involve a brief, concise and immediately informative "But I thought you were Vulcan? / Not really, just half-Vulcan / Yeah, haven't you heard, he's the Ambassador's son" exchange than any "This is Mr. Spock, my first officer, and now yours / Thank you, Sir (now how am I going to deal with this?)" scenario...

Now, the writers keeping Spock away from Pike and his ship while Kirk is there would be an exercise in... Dunno what, embarrassing timidity?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

They were already friends at the time of WNMHGB, playing chess and bantering.

Compared to some of the other stuff Discovery has done and it's very loose interpretation of TOS, having Kirk and Spock meet and become friends (or probably go from enemies to friends, 2009-style) is really no biggie and makes for a compelling prequel premise.

 

[Timo]

Ah, strongly opposed - much of the tension from "WNMGHB" comes from Spock being so alien and ruthless that he scares the bejezus out of Kirk, too. The two may share collegial spaces and practices, but as said, Kirk doesn't even know about the Ambassador's Son thing; it's McCoy he's friends with.

We already did the early meeting shtick in the 2009 movie, and milked it for all its worth. It resulted in a different dynamic, of course not the least because Spock in that universe had actual social contacts. Besides Kirk.

We could make Spock a full Vulcan in this version, with the "human half" a dirty lie that won Sarek the Zee-Magnees prize or whatnot. Or establish that Kirk's mother was the head of Starfleet Intel at the time, and probably Mike Burnham's aunt to boot. But having Kirk and Spock meet... #NotMyTrek.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ronald Held]

We do not need to See Kirk, just because it can be done.

 

[Yistaan]

Ah, strongly opposed - much of the tension from "WNMGHB" comes from Spock being so alien and ruthless that he scares the bejezus out of Kirk, too. The two may share collegial spaces and practices, but as said, Kirk doesn't even know about the Ambassador's Son thing; it's McCoy he's friends with.

We already did the early meeting shtick in the 2009 movie, and milked it for all its worth. It resulted in a different dynamic, of course not the least because Spock in that universe had actual social contacts. Besides Kirk.

We could make Spock a full Vulcan in this version, with the "human half" a dirty lie that won Sarek the Zee-Magnees prize or whatnot. Or establish that Kirk's mother was the head of Starfleet Intel at the time, and probably Mike Burnham's aunt to boot. But having Kirk and Spock meet... #NotMyTrek.

Timo Saloniemi

The Kelvin timeline had Kirk and Spock become friends so quickly that Spock was going into rages against Benedict Cumberbatch for killing the person he knew for all of a year.

It'd be hilarious if Prime timeline Kirk couldn't even be bothered to get to know Spock if he appeared in Strange New Worlds until after he took command. It's certainly possible. For example it doesn't seem like Worf and Nog had much to do with each other despite fighting in the Dominion War together.

 

[DaveyNY]

Just saw this on my Youtube feed, it's another video with my favourite Enterprise fan model. IMO this baby looks soooo much better than the Discovery Enterprise. Nice TOS/TMP/ST'09 mashup.

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I like everything about that version except the "Hot-Rod" cowlings on the nacelles.
They just look silly to me.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Kelvin timeline had Kirk and Spock become friends so quickly that Spock was going into rages against Benedict Cumberbatch for killing the person he knew for all of a year.

My best friend I've known for just over a year, and if they died because of a certain someone I'd probably be pretty mad.

 

[Ronald Held]

Why should Kirk and Spock know each other before WNMHGB?

 

[Yistaan]

Why should Kirk and Spock know each other before WNMHGB?

Because of rumors Kirk's going to be in Strange New Worlds, if these rumors are true.

 

[USS Firefly]

Why should Kirk and Spock know each other before WNMHGB?

Maybe because like in Star Wars, the Trek universe is ridicilous small

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why should Kirk and Spock know each other before WNMHGB?

Because I'm sure there's a good story to be told about them meeting and becoming friends. It worked really well in the 2009 movie and I'd like to see a version of it in Discovery's world.

 

[Rahul]

Just saw this on my Youtube feed, it's another video with my favourite Enterprise fan model. IMO this baby looks soooo much better than the Discovery Enterprise. Nice TOS/TMP/ST'09 mashup.

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It's amazing how much of a difference the hull color makes!

The DISCOprise ain't a bad model - but the TOS Enterprise was a shining, white starship! Not NX-01 gray. Honestly - just change that for the Pike-series - and you solved already a lot of issues with the model!

 

[Gonzo]

The way things are going we will need to create a "USS Discovery eventually on Strange New Worlds thread."

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It's amazing how much of a difference the hull color makes!

The DISCOprise ain't a bad model - but the TOS Enterprise was a shining, white starship! Not NX-01 gray. Honestly - just change that for the Pike-series - and you solved already a lot of issues with the model!

A smooth white ship was probably the only option for late 1960's TV's. Greeblies would have been too hard to see and a darker colored ship would have been harder to see overall.

I think if the DSC Enterprise was a little more towards the white of, say, the TMP refit, it would look great (but the whole show (DSC) had a lighting problem. I think they saved money on bulbs). That and straight pylons and no row of lights/windows on the saucer

 

[TrekMD]

Has anyone seen this? I think the classic Enterprise looks great on this video with modern lighting and some minor detail changes...

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[cooleddie74]

It was worth watching up to and including the very last second.

 

[Yistaan]

Funny how not just Federation ships, but even Klingon and Romulan ships all became white during the 2260s.