USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
- Thread starter EJD1984
- Start date
Another explanation could be that the Cage bridge module was swapped in while the "true" bridge was getting the holographic interface installed. Once the installs occurred, the bridge was restored after the Cage.
The Cage and Where No Man has Gone Before uniforms could also simply be dress variants of the true Disco-colored uniforms.
The Cage bridge appearing in Where No Man Has Gone Before could mean that Pike's Disco-Style bridge was swapped out to be "upgraded" to the TOS bridge.
The Cage and Where No Man has Gone Before uniforms could also simply be dress variants of the true Disco-colored uniforms.
The Cage bridge appearing in Where No Man Has Gone Before could mean that Pike's Disco-Style bridge was swapped out to be "upgraded" to the TOS bridge.
Why would they send Kirk to the edge of the galaxy with out-of-date parts?
Don't get your hopes up, this is the new one.
If you want the original go watch TOS.
I think we can safely say the Short Treks Enterprise is the 2245-2265 bridge (The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before was a backup bridge module while the true bridge was undergoing refits. Installation of holographic functions in the Cage, and in the case of 2265 the upgrade to Kirk's TOS bridge, with the side benefit that Pike's often malfunctioning bridge with holographic issues, even after deactivated, wouldn't interfere with the trip past the galactic barrier).
The Cage and WNMHGB uniforms are Starfleet dress uniforms. In the Cage, they were still wearing them for what was supposed to be an admission of Rigel VII to the Federation that went horribly wrong (per the Early Voyages comic book). In WNMHGB, the historic event of passing the Galactic Barrier necessitated dress uniforms. They then switch to the TOS uniform.
Pike using the Short Treks uniform in 2254 and saying they were brand new in 2257 is backed up by Constitution class vessels getting special uniforms, with them being issued to the rest of the fleet in 2257. This comes from the Discovery Desperate Hours novel.
There, it all fits. It is unlikely to be contradicted because it is "highly unlikely" (to quote Data) that CBS is going to retread the Enterprise in 2266-2269. Even the Pike show is still a long shot.
Why does anything need to fit? Why are some trek fans completely incapable of accepting differences in the appearance of ships or bridges as just being different productions values due to 50 years having passed between the original and new versions?
Why do magicians take pains to keep their magic tricks a secret when everyone knows they don't actually have magical powers? Why do writers even bother to acknowledge or even read/watch previous works if the audience all knows it's fake?
Why did Tolkien revise the Hobbit to match his LOTR revision that Bilbo found the ring accidentally instead of getting it as a gift from Gollum?
We want to keep the illusion of an actual fictional world. If that offends anyone, then they don't have to take part in those discussions.
It's hard to see why this bothers people when other fans actually do more intense stuff like learning klingon etc
Last edited:
I don't find it offensive, I just don't see the point of it. I don't need convoluted explanations for why things look different. In fact trying to have explanations for why Klingons didn't have ridges in TOS but did in TMP for example, detracts from my enjoyment of the fictional world.
I just don't get it and it's the least relateable aspect of trek fandom for me.
If we get a Kirk Series after a Pike Series, it's not going to look like TOS. Anything else we see of the Mid-23rd Century in the Kurtzman Production Era is going to look along the lines of what we've seen so far. They'll tweak it a little, bit by bit, as time goes on, but they won't make a show in the 2020s look like a show from the 1960s. It's never happening.
EDIT: And anyway, "Q&A" takes place before "The Cage" since (minor spoiler) it's when Spock was first assigned to the Enterprise. So the idea that the Enterprise goes from how it looked in "The Cage" to how it looked in DSC is already blown.
EDIT: And anyway, "Q&A" takes place before "The Cage" since (minor spoiler) it's when Spock was first assigned to the Enterprise. So the idea that the Enterprise goes from how it looked in "The Cage" to how it looked in DSC is already blown.
Last edited:
I don't see the point in learning klingon but I'm not going around protesting against those who do.
Everyone has different standards of what is necessary to make things "fit". We were given a consistent vision of what the Pike/Kirk-era of Trek looked like for near fifty years, there was going to be push back when that changed, that is life.
For me, the look is only part of the problem of treating the Discovery universe as "Prime", there is a completely different feel to it that simply doesn't match up with what came before.
So it is simply easier to treat the Discovery universe (or TOS, if one is so inclined) as not part of the overall whole. Everyone's mileage may vary.
Please no Kurtzman version of TOS!!!!!!!
I go back and forth. On the one hand, I can totally rationalize away any differences, either from a RW production perspective. On the other hand, I can take the GR POV that TOS was a dramatic recreation of Kirk's missions, explaining any discrepancies or differences as a dramatic license or some aspects being classified by Starfleet.
In my opinion, TOS and DSC work fine with one regards them as dramatic interpretations of events in the world of Star Trek. I don't feel like every difference needs an explanation-but I can come up with one if need be.
I read that as out-of-date pants.
I read that as out-of-date pants.
That works too considering the inconsistency in uniforms.
Sorry, Yistaan. No way are the pilot uniforms dress uniforms. Their construction is too shoddy and their aesthetics too unflattering to make good dress uniforms to be worn for ceremonial occasions requiring pomp and circumstance.
I would suggest instead that the pilot uniforms are Class-B duty uniforms roughly equivalent to Kirk's white short sleeve pseudo T-shirt from TMP and the beige long sleeve and short sleeve equivalents worn by Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov in the same film. Then, I would suggest that the Discovery variants are the more formal Class-A, but still not dress, duty uniforms of that period.
Good idea!
I read that as out-of-date pants.
This could be why he was always in a hurry to take them off whenever an attractive alien came along.
Similar threads
