USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by EJD1984, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. PixelMagic

    PixelMagic Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Then I'm sorry, with all due respect, you do not have an eye for futuristic tech/aesthetics in fiction. TOS looks HORRIBLY dated, that's just how it is. I say this as someone who adores TOS. I don't even like all of Discovery's set aesthetics, but at least they don't destroy my suspension of disbelief as future technology.
     
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  2. Tuskin38

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    Assuming you’re American, that only protects you from censure by the Government, not other people or organizations.
    How does it look remotely Klingon? No Klingon bridge looks like that.
     
  3. Yistaan

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    To be fair I probably don't. I'm told I have terrible fashion sense.

    But I am a licensed engineer, so I've always been a functionality over form guy. That's why I approve of the change to widescreen viewscreen (this is actually a necessary function), but don't see the point of other changes.
    Fair enough. I'll bring it up when you come over with handcuffs at my "bridge protest" ;)

    It's the red lighting that permeates Klingon bridges, and the angular perimeter of the viewscreen (they could have left it a rectangle).
     
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    You can have your preference, that's fine. Just don't imply that I said you wanted to boycott the show. Since that wasn't part of my comment. Only that @PixelMagic was implying that TOS design is one that looks dated. I don't support that opinion but I know where he is coming from.
     
  5. Yistaan

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    They should have put holography back into the TOS bridge actually. The Pike line removing them was odd to me.
     
  6. GhostLoveScore

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    If you want to consider that an insult then yes.
     
  7. Tuskin38

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    It’s at red alert lighting. Most Fed bridges are like that at red alert.
     
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  8. Tuskin38

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    It’s clearly written as an insult on that Facebook post.
     
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  9. PixelMagic

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    Certainly an understandable viewpoint. But you have to keep in mind that engineering IS function over form, but Star Trek is entertainment. With all the futuristic TV, Film, and video games these days, Star Trek has to keep itself fresh from an entertainment point of view. Really, engineering point of view is almost meaningless. It's got to "look slick" to keep up with other futuristic franchises.

    Now, I too welcome any balance you can strike between referencing aesthetics to TOS as much as possible, as long as it looks like modern fictional design. I'm afraid that if they went straight TOS aesthetics, no one would take this show seriously apart from a very small niche of die hard Trekkies. Almost certainly would not bring in new fans.
     
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  10. Yistaan

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    I agree, Bernd went too far in saying " But anyone who claims this is an appropriate and respectful reimagination has an awful taste and no sense of Star Trek."

    As a frequent reader of his site, it's disappointing he went to that level.
     
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  11. GhostLoveScore

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    I don't think so, but go ahead.
     
  12. Tuskin38

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    I think the bridges of the Ent-Refit/-A in the TOS movies are the best Enterprise bridges.
     
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  13. Tuskin38

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    How is this statement

    “anyone who claims this is an appropriate and respectful reimagination has an awful taste and no sense of Star Trek”

    Not insulting to people who like the design?
     
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  14. Yistaan

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    Once Bernd started talking about other fans having "awful taste and no sense of Star Trek", his post stopped being about Star Trek and became about fellow fans. He should have said he doesn't like the new bridge, and that's it.
     
  15. PixelMagic

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    I love Bernd's site, but his attitude on things disappoints me, and also probably does no favors for his own enjoyment of a franchise he's supposed to love. I am not saying you have to love everything just because a Star Trek label is on it. I find the Kelvin movies and Discovery just "ok, not great" but this foaming at the mouth hatred is next level.
     
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  16. Longinus

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    Frankly, I think you have absurdly limited view of 'futuristic.' For example you complained about the 60s style chairs here or the deflector dish on the ship. Retrofuturism is a perfectly valid design choice. (Whether it has been successfully employed here is another matter.) Quality of the materials, additional details, and changing obviously outdated technical elements are one thing, but insisting that 'future' needs to look like it follows the design trends of 2019s is laughably limiting. Embracing mid-century modern is absolutely fine, and if done well will probably produce something that looks much more fresh to the modern audiences that trying to desperately look 'contemporary' like everybody else.
     
  17. GhostLoveScore

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    Why would it be? Personally I think people are too sensitive these days. If I drive a VW beetle and somebody says to me that I don't have any sense of how car should look, so what?
    Insult is if I say to you: "Your father was a computer, like his son! An ambassador from a planet of traitors! The Vulcan never lived who had an ounce of integrity!"

    Not if I say: Spock, I don't like those ears, you have an awful taste of what ears should look like.
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    Telling someone they have awful taste is an insult.
     
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  19. Longinus

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    Calm down!
     
  20. Tuskin38

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    Telling someone that they don't like the look of their car isn't.