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Unseen TOS....

With some thought the decks could be revised, but does the Constellation had to be smaller; could she be the same size but shared "The Cage"'s aesthetics? A proto-type of the upgrades would come to future Starship Class vessels.
When you look at the drawings of the AMT some things jump out at you. The nacelles are further apart than they are on the 11 footer. The support pylons attach to the pylons exactly at 45 degrees which they don’t on the 11 footer. The pylons are set a bit further forward on the secondary hull. The contours of the saucer are different and the saucer edge is less angled. The B/C deck structure is different. The warp nacelle detail is different.

If you were building the AMT model there are accurizing parts you can get from Federation Models, but there is still a limit to what you can do because there are differences in the shapes of major elements on the model. So superficially it looks like an Enterprise type ship, but there are quite a few differences such that you could imagine it as an entirely different class. Indeed one could conjecture that it could be an older class than the Enterprise, and as such it could be perfect to depict the Constellation with its lower registry 1017.

Candidly I suspect that wasn’t the intention behind using the available AMT model kit. They simply wanted a quick and affordable way to depict another Enterprise like ship and one they could “damage” to make it look totally wrecked. But the likely unintended consequence of using that model with its differences from the 11 footer, and (rather lazily) using 1017 for the registry rather than 1710 or just any other 1700 series number, created speculation this was an older and perhaps wholly different class of ship than the Enterprise.

Creative intent doesn’t always translate. Originally the idea was that the arrowhead insignia was to depict all starships—no matter which ship you were assigned to you wore an arrowhead insignia. If you were assigned to a starbase then you wore a different insignia. But that got botched somewhere and the notion that different ships have distinct insignia took hold. That idea was borne out of having a way to clue the audience whether a character onscreen belonged to the Enterprise or not. It wasn’t supposed to be like that. Consequently from mixed communication we got distinct insignia for the Constellation, the Exeter and the Defiant leading to the conclusion all major starships have their own distinct insignia. The only common element with the Enterprise was that the department symbols within the insignias should be the same throughout all ships…supposedly.

It was never supposed to be that way, and come the production of TMP a definitive reset was established to have all Starfleet personnel sport the arrowhead. And it’s been that way since throughout all productions.
 
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Comparing the visible windows on the Constellation as shown in "The Doomsday Machine" to the Enterprise they appear to be roughly the same size as you never get close enough to measure to tell otherwise. The Constellation's BC structure's row of windows appear to be on the same on the same level as the two round portholes on the Enterprise's BC structure. The engineering hull you can't really tell either way. YMMV.
 
I don't believe the Defiant had a unique insignia. Until ENT, of course.
Really? If so, Oops—my bad!

But the precedent had been set in the second season with the Constellation and Exeter. Of course, in universe, one could argue Starfleet set that straight by the time we see the Defiant wherein all starship personnel wore the arrowhead.
 
I need to get back to my Constellation. I was making good progress until unemployment and then pandemic hit. Yikes, that's rather ancient at this point. Shaw's plans were invaluable.

But the precedent had been set in the second season with the Constellation and Exeter. Of course, in universe, one could argue Starfleet set that straight by the time we see the Defiant wherein all starship personnel wore the arrowhead.
It's hard to keep track of the threads. This might have been covered here. But the only two starships with distinct insignia in TOS were Exeter and Constellation. And Justman wrote a memo telling the staff that this was a mistake. I think he was on vacation or something. The largest conglomeration of Starfleet personnel we saw was in Court Martial and I believe that they all wore the arrow. (Quick, someone write some history of Starfleet: "They Wore the Arrow".)
 
My conceit when I get to modelling the Constellation is that someone took the pains to build and paint it properly. I’m on the fence about how much accurizing they might do.

But for now I have an orbital dock to work on…
YAAAY!!!!
 
Candidly I suspect that wasn’t the intention behind using the available AMT model kit. They simply wanted a quick and affordable way to depict another Enterprise like ship and one they could “damage” to make it look totally wrecked. But the likely unintended consequence of using that model with its differences from the 11 footer, and (rather lazily) using 1017 for the registry rather than 1710 or just any other 1700 series number, created speculation this was an older and perhaps wholly different class of ship than the Enterprise.

No, that wasn't the intention. It was supposed to be the same type of ship as the Enterprise (although I'm not arguing for or against your head-canon that the differences between the kit and the filming model make it a different class.) And I don't think it was laziness with using a 1017 registry per se (though it would be quite easy to just cut out the '01' at the end of the Enterprise's registry, flip it around, and stick it in front of the '17' to make 1017.) I think it was more to clearly differentiate the two ships' numbers.

But getting back to the former subject: Starfleet has never been very consistent in differentiating certain classes of ship with certain variants of the same class. For example, why is the Soyuz class Bozeman a separate class of ship from the Miranda-class Reliant, when the Enterprise-B is the same class as the Excelsior, despite having similar add-on parts that made the Bozeman a whole new class?
 
In envisioning this orbital dock, and in keeping with the parameters of this project, I’m trying to be mindful of what they could have actually constructed back in the day.

Mind you it won’t be as basic as using a fruit crate or cutting holes in a cardboard box you get from the grocery store… :lol:
 
I don't believe the Defiant had a unique insignia. Until ENT, of course.
Really? If so, Oops—my bad!

But the precedent had been set in the second season with the Constellation and Exeter. Of course, in universe, one could argue Starfleet set that straight by the time we see the Defiant wherein all starship personnel wore the arrowhead.
Correct re. Defiant insignias. They used standard Enterprise-style uniforms (albeit conspicuously obscured in most scenes). The most obvious tell was some of the Defiant red-shirts in sickbay. You can clearly see the E's arrowhead there:
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There have been a number of essays on the topic, but this one from startrek.com in particular seems to be able to weave its way through canonical references (including explanations for Exeter & Constellation). At least, until "In a Mirror, Darkly" fucked it all up again, which the article conveniently ignores. :D :lol:
 
Correct re. Defiant insignias. They used standard Enterprise-style uniforms (albeit conspicuously obscured in most scenes). The most obvious tell was some of the Defiant red-shirts in sickbay. You can clearly see the E's arrowhead there:
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There have been a number of essays on the topic, but this one from startrek.com in particular seems to be able to weave its way through canonical references (including explanations for Exeter & Constellation). At least, until "In a Mirror, Darkly" fucked it all up again, which the article conveniently ignores. :D :lol:
True. Despite that it's still my 2nd favorite episode from ENT, Carbon Creek is my fav, I thought the episode was trying to have fun with the Mirror Universe and I thought it was decent*.

* The CG Gorn was the exception.
 
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