I've added a pic link to my previous post to show you what I did.
Looking forward to seeing your details.
Looking forward to seeing your details.
Unseen TOS....
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VERY nice. You can see where your 22nd Century design on p52 has evolved from this.Getting closer...
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Thanks! I tried to get a kinship between the designs without them being too much of essentially the same thing.VERY nice. You can see where your 22nd Century design on p52 has evolved from this.
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I can just see this squaring off in front of this craft:
http://www.wrstone.com/wrstone/jackelope/hoff/fiawol/leif-ericson
https://www.deviantart.com/paul-lloyd/art/The-McArthur-from-The-Mote-In-God-s-Eye-465536318
http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/le.html
I can just see this squaring off in front of this craft:
http://www.wrstone.com/wrstone/jackelope/hoff/fiawol/leif-ericson
https://www.deviantart.com/paul-lloyd/art/The-McArthur-from-The-Mote-In-God-s-Eye-465536318
http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/le.html
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When a fullscale conflict erupted between Earth and the Romulans it found Earth unprepared for it. Earth ships were not exactly defenseless--they had learned it wasnt wise to go into unknown interstellar space unamed--but most of Earth's deepspace ships were primarily exploratory vessels or merchant transports. Earth had little in the way of ships and personnel intended for combat. In counterpoint the Romulans had engaged in a massive ship building program in preparation for their campaign of attacking Earth ships and outposts. Leading up to that they had been content with ambushing (and possibly capturing) any Earth ships that might wander too close to their home systems.
Earth had noticed ships disappearing a bit too frequently in that area of space, but had been content to warn anyone from venturing into that area. The Romulans' fullscale attacks forced Earth to adopt a more proactive posture.
What little intelligence Earth had was that Romulan ships were slower and appeared to lack the range of Earth's ships. There was also the fact that Earth was a fairly long way from Romulan space. It meant Earth could maybe take the fight to the Romulans rather than have to defend themselves nearer to home.
Even so Earth's ships were not really combat ready and there weren't yet enough of them. Their best option was to try to slow the Romulan advance until more appropriate and more numerous ships were available. Earth also already had treaties with the few species it had so far encounterd, but those were more of trade and non-aggression agreements. At best, at least early in the game, Earth could trade for resouces from its "allies" but nothing was really available in terms of anyone willing to fight alongside Earth forces.
And so Earth set about its own shipbuilding and personnel trainng programs.
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Any plans to draw the asteroid base that got hit?
By the way--there is a Star Wars craft that looks similar to your Romulan style
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/M12-L_Kimogila_heavy_fighter?file=Kimogila.jpg
This more Klingon
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kihraxz_assault_fighter?file=Kihraxzvariations.jpg
The old AMT
https://culttvman.com/main/romulan-bird-of-prey-model-reference/
SNW's https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/star-treks-new-romulan.html
By the way--there is a Star Wars craft that looks similar to your Romulan style
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/M12-L_Kimogila_heavy_fighter?file=Kimogila.jpg
This more Klingon
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kihraxz_assault_fighter?file=Kihraxzvariations.jpg
The old AMT
https://culttvman.com/main/romulan-bird-of-prey-model-reference/
SNW's https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/star-treks-new-romulan.html
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Hmm… I hadn’t thought of that. Or how it could have been visualized in TOS.
This was, again, one of those things that wasn’t really necessary to show in the story. But it is indeed an Unseen TOS element.
Spock said the asteroid was pulverized by the Romulans’ attack. An asteroid can still be a sizeable thing so maybe the Romulan weapon caused big chunks of the asteroid to break off while the bulk of it remained with a big hole or crater where the outpost used to be.
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The Romulan weapon was described as an "enveloping plasma forcing an implosion". I took that as the energy bolt would strike the target and wrap around it. Once fully wrapped it would rapidly contract and this action pulverized the target. The deflectors on the outpost only resisted some of the first hit before failing and letting through the remainder of the hit. The 2nd hit pulverised the asteroid and the outpost.
Based on the dialogue, the outpost was built into a minimum 2 mile wide iron asteroid and had deflectors and phasers. The asteroid should be round-ish at 2 miles in diameter and have porcupine features with phaser and deflector shield emplacements all over it, IMHO. I could also imagine maybe a cavern for landing shuttles or small ships.
Based on the dialogue, the outpost was built into a minimum 2 mile wide iron asteroid and had deflectors and phasers. The asteroid should be round-ish at 2 miles in diameter and have porcupine features with phaser and deflector shield emplacements all over it, IMHO. I could also imagine maybe a cavern for landing shuttles or small ships.
Sure that's possible if it ran to the core. It could just as well be a surface structure.
SNW spoiler
Hansen's outpost is shown on screen in SNW S1 E10 "A Quality of Mercy."
Pictures here at Memory Alpha: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Outpost_4
Pictures here at Memory Alpha: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Outpost_4
In the dialogue of “Balance Of Terror” we get the outpost had deflector shields AND that the outpost command centre was “a mile deep” in an asteroid of almost solid iron.
Note that in SNW they just reshot that scene. It didn’t bring anything new to the table. And even if it did SNW is meaningless because it didn’t exist in 1966.
Note that in SNW they just reshot that scene. It didn’t bring anything new to the table. And even if it did SNW is meaningless because it didn’t exist in 1966.
I'm not sure I agree with that, but this is not the thread to debate that topic.
The skeletal structure isn’t a bad choice…I don’t think they would depict the whole asteroid, just some of the surface features then rubble.
They may have had a similar build to 1979’s METEOR
https://monsterhuntermoviereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Meteor-1979-2.jpg
https://memim.com/3361-orpheus.html
They may have had a similar build to 1979’s METEOR
https://monsterhuntermoviereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Meteor-1979-2.jpg
https://memim.com/3361-orpheus.html
Two to three years later TOS would depict the Yonada asteroid in “For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky” (and reused in “All Our Yesterdays” I believe). I imagine an outpost asteroid in “Balance Of Terror” might have been similar.
As I mentioned earlier the asteroid/outpost doesn’t need to be seen in context of the story. But it’s existence raises questions beyond what it could have looked like.
- Was the asteroid one towed into position or was it just picked for its convenient location, along with all the others?
- What is the asteroid orbiting or was it positioned in free space along a negotiated border? As such is the Neutral Zone an area surrounding a single star system or a number of systems or a border separating regions of interstellar space? It’s hard to imagine the Romulans agreeing to a zone that basically restricted them to one solitary star system.
- Do the Romulans have their own collection of outpost asteroids along the Neutral Zone?
As I mentioned earlier the asteroid/outpost doesn’t need to be seen in context of the story. But it’s existence raises questions beyond what it could have looked like.
- Was the asteroid one towed into position or was it just picked for its convenient location, along with all the others?
- What is the asteroid orbiting or was it positioned in free space along a negotiated border? As such is the Neutral Zone an area surrounding a single star system or a number of systems or a border separating regions of interstellar space? It’s hard to imagine the Romulans agreeing to a zone that basically restricted them to one solitary star system.
- Do the Romulans have their own collection of outpost asteroids along the Neutral Zone?
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Fortunately we do have the sector map from the episode. The scale and positions of Romulus and Romii if taken as planets would mean:
1. Any ftl ship could cross the entire sector in seconds
2. The planet's orbits would extend into other sectors
3. The outposts would be in attack range of the Romulan planets (because "Patterns of Force" and "A Taste of Armageddon" tells us that interplanetary weapons exist)
Since none of that is apparent in the episode it seems reasonable that the sector map is showing the star systems Romulus and Romii and is of a much larger scale.
Personally I think the asteroids would've been towed into place. Curiously, the Romulans did not have any stations detectable or in range of detection when the Enterprise entered Romulan space in TEI but they were quickly greeted with Romulan starships so maybe a wider gap between their monitoring stations or they're further back or less detectable?
1. Any ftl ship could cross the entire sector in seconds
2. The planet's orbits would extend into other sectors
3. The outposts would be in attack range of the Romulan planets (because "Patterns of Force" and "A Taste of Armageddon" tells us that interplanetary weapons exist)
Since none of that is apparent in the episode it seems reasonable that the sector map is showing the star systems Romulus and Romii and is of a much larger scale.
Personally I think the asteroids would've been towed into place. Curiously, the Romulans did not have any stations detectable or in range of detection when the Enterprise entered Romulan space in TEI but they were quickly greeted with Romulan starships so maybe a wider gap between their monitoring stations or they're further back or less detectable?
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