Uniforms

[Shamrock Holmes]

As far as the Klingons go, I won't mind taking an approach similar to the RotF-era TrekLit books where both types of Klingons exist side-by-side with (as suggested in canon) 'cranial recontrustion surgery' perhaps being used by some (mostly older?) Klingons to hide that they are 'smooth heads'.

I think that would be the best 'middle ground' option as it would acknowledge both versions.

The clothing (as with the SF uniforms) should probably be updated to more consistent with ENT and post-TMP styles.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I like the uniforms of the new movies just fine. The clean design of the movies works with the colors very well.

Although now I do wonder if the new show will be going for a similar look at all. Will it be all slick and clean or will it look more like... TV Trek.
Will it look like elegant and futuristic SciFi or will it look like bloody submarines in space again? (Damn you, Nicholas Meyer!)

 

[Kemaiku]

Since they're Section 31, probably skin hugging uniforms that are fashionably facist and black. Except fungus guy, who'll be in some weird overalls to stop fungal contamination of the crew.

 

[KennyB]

Since they're Section 31, probably skin hugging uniforms that are fashionably facist and black. Except fungus guy, who'll be in some weird overalls to stop fungal contamination of the crew.

Whut?

 

[Kemaiku]

In another thread, someone has supposidly leaked the premise of the first season, and Discovery is stated as being a S31 ship tasked with stealing from the Klingons among others. And in DS9 they all dressed in toned down fetishy black uniforms.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

In another thread, someone has supposidly leaked the premise of the first season, and Discovery is stated as being a S31 ship tasked with stealing from the Klingons among others. And in DS9 they all dressed in toned down fetishy black uniforms.

That's not really a leak, it's a rumor.

 

[uniderth]

a modern updated look that implies this is what they looked like all along. Just like the Klingons. TMP came out with what the Klingons really looked like all along

That's dumb. When I watch my DVDs of Kirk's adventures the Klingons do not look like the ones in TMP.

Also Cranial reconstruction is dumb because Enterprise is dumb.

I would like to see both types of Klingons side by side as a sort of Eastern/Western Roman Empire situation. That's the explaination that best fits.

I'm fine with Klingons having different uniforms. Because we never saw Pike era Klingons.

 

[Nerys Myk]

the uniforms on Enterprise were a huge turnoff and a big mistake.

We need a simple version of "The Cage" unis or its not going to jive as a prequel.

Only if by mistake you mean one of the best.

 

[Kemaiku]

That's not really a leak, it's a rumor.

Maybe, but it would certainly give a different look to a crew after so many pajamas and overalls.

 

[Blooded]

That's dumb. When I watch my DVDs of Kirk's adventures the Klingons do not look like the ones in TMP.

Also Cranial reconstruction is dumb because Enterprise is dumb.

Wow, incredible argument you have put forward there!

I would like to see both types of Klingons side by side as a sort of Eastern/Western Roman Empire situation. That's the explaination that best fits

No, the explanation that "best fits" is the one that ENT gave us onscreen. We can't be getting fussy about uniforms having to match what was established on screen, whilst at the same time saying we should ignore events that were shown very clearly on other Trek shows.

 

[Tuskin38]

Also Cranial reconstruction is dumb because Enterprise is dumb.

Well it is canon, whether you like it or not.

Obviously cranial reconstruction didn't catch on, or was only affordable to high ranking houses.

 

[Shawnster]

In another thread, someone has supposidly leaked the premise of the first season, and Discovery is stated as being a S31 ship tasked with stealing from the Klingons among others. And in DS9 they all dressed in toned down fetishy black uniforms.

Does it make sense that a super secret organization that nobody knows exists would have 1. their own starship and 2. unique uniforms no one else in Starfleet has. Might as well have a big badge saying "Hi, I work for Section 31"

Discovery's crew isn't going to be operating in the shadows. We're going to see typical Star Trek plots like first contact, shore leave, diplomatic missions, etc...

 

[Kemaiku]

Does it make sense that a super secret organization that nobody knows exists would have 1. their own starship and 2. unique uniforms no one else in Starfleet has. Might as well have a big badge saying "Hi, I work for Section 31"

Discovery's crew isn't going to be operating in the shadows. We're going to see typical Star Trek plots like first contact, shore leave, diplomatic missions, etc...

Star Trek Into Darkness shows us that not only is it possible to build such a ship more than twice the size of the Galaxy class and crew it exactly that way, but do it inside the Sol System, name it something that can only scream warship, and no one cares.

So yes. Real world agencies like this don't go around wearing bright primary coloured nightwear and it works out fine.

 

[Mudd]

Best to accept upfront that hardcore canonistas aren't going to love what they see in Discovery, any more than they did Enterprise.

 

[Longinus]

Star Trek Into Darkness shows us that not only is it possible to build such a ship more than twice the size of the Galaxy class and crew it exactly that way, but do it inside the Sol System, name it something that can only scream warship, and no one cares.

Yes, but that was mindbogglingly stupid.

 

[Kemaiku]

Yes, but that was mindbogglingly stupid.

To you, maybe. Not to many who watched it. It's not like TOS itself didn't depict nearly the entire upper echelons of Starfleet and the Federation being full on assholes with severe mental health issues who should not have been in charge of anything.

Marcus having a clear purpose (racist and genocidal as it was) was believable enough, and put him well above the cognitive capacity of the TOS era Discovery will be set in, in terms of Admirals. Him being the head of Starfleet meant there was literally no one above him to chastise him for it. And the Federation Council is inept in every movie or series we see them, you could hide the plans under their bed and they wouldn't notice.

Section 31 in DS9 were shown to have ships and technology all of their own and Enterprise only cemented that. Discovery will be one of those ships, the first time we'll have followed along with their covert missions directly. That could have some appeal, as long as it doesn't decend into old Trek nonsense and poor writing.

 

[fireproof78]

Only if by mistake you mean one of the best.

I may not have enjoyed ENT that much, but the uniforms and ship design were far and away one of my favorites.

To you, maybe. Not to many who watched it. It's not like TOS itself didn't depict nearly the entire upper echelons of Starfleet and the Federation being full on assholes with severe mental health issues who should not have been in charge of anything.

Marcus having a clear purpose (racist and genocidal as it was) was believable enough, and put him well above the cognitive capacity of the TOS era Discovery will be set in, in terms of Admirals. Him being the head of Starfleet meant there was literally no one above him to chastise him for it. And the Federation Council is inept in every movie or series we see them, you could hide the plans under their bed and they wouldn't notice.

Section 31 in DS9 were shown to have ships and technology all of their own and Enterprise only cemented that. Discovery will be one of those ships, the first time we'll have followed along with their covert missions directly. That could have some appeal, as long as it doesn't decend into old Trek nonsense and poor writing.

Indeed. Given Marcus' authority, the idea of a "black op" station being basically "off the books" that can be excused away by Marcus' own office.

As for Discovery, I think it would be more interesting if it wasn't an S31 ship but there was an operative onboard. There might be some conflicts that the operative wants to happen that the crew might disagree on.

 

[Shawnster]

Star Trek Into Darkness shows us that not only is it possible to build such a ship more than twice the size of the Galaxy class and crew it exactly that way, but do it inside the Sol System, name it something that can only scream warship, and no one cares.

So yes. Real world agencies like this don't go around wearing bright primary coloured nightwear and it works out fine.

It was secret. And it was to be kept a secret. What happened afterword? Section 31 was no longer secret.

Sure, Discovery could be like NuTrek and make Section 31 public. Kinda hard for NuTrek to keep Section 31 a secret after that incident, right?

That's the point.

 

[Kemaiku]

There still could be.

Section 31 needs people of skill from about every background, not just field operatives and agents. We know they have a fungal expert onboard and probably other specialists from various fields that a starship would need to operate away from any recognisable base for longer periods.

They aren't all cold blooded agents and will have moral qualms about the ships missions and directives. Assuming they even all have the same clearance to even know what Discovery is doing week to week. There could be lab rats on the lower decks never getting to know everything and being ordered to get on with it anyway.

It was secret. And it was to be kept a secret. What happened afterword? Section 31 was no longer secret.

Sure, Discovery could be like NuTrek and make Section 31 public. Kinda hard for NuTrek to keep Section 31 a secret after that incident, right?

That's the point.

Into Darkness happened in the Kelvin timeline in 2258, Discovery is in the Prime timeline in 2255. There is no overlap. In the Prime timeline, no one knows about Section 31 until Bashir partly outs them in 2375 during their attempt to destroy the Founders. By 2255, they're still totally unknown to everyone else.

 

[fireproof78]

It was secret. And it was to be kept a secret. What happened afterword? Section 31 was no longer secret.

Sure, Discovery could be like NuTrek and make Section 31 public. Kinda hard for NuTrek to keep Section 31 a secret after that incident, right?

That's the point.

Not entirely. Some elements would be made public, while others would simply fade and reemerge as some thing. Perhaps they would integrate in to Starfleet Intelligence proper until a time when they felt that they were needed to act again.

Also, which is more believable to the general public? A rogue section of Starfleet officers operating outside the law controlling the Chief of Starfleet Operations, or an admiral who went power hungry and became a war monger and went crazy? I mean, how many crazy, inept, extreme, mentally unstable admirals have we seen in Star Trek?