Uniforms
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I disagree that a new uniform is called for, but rather an updating of the old as if you consider that the 'Monster Maroons' were essentially refined versions of the 'Cage/WNMHGB' uniforms, then they were used on-an-off for about a century or roughly half of the known history of Starfleet.
I think some of his logic re the colors has shades of 'square peg, round hole', dark grey for MACOs sort of works (though I think brown would be better) and while I think blue=Vulcans is thin (T'Pol only wore blue as part of UESPA and green, brown or tan are more Vulcanesque colors generally), especially when Andorians are blue (I can't recall ever seeing anything green associated with Andor, visually their colors are blue, white and black) I do like the idea of more than three colors (I favour either red, yellow, green, pale blue, dark blue or red, yellow, green, blue and purple (preferably light blue and lilac as I think five balances better than four), representing (for example, I've played with a few options) Engineering, Bridge/Operations, Command (including MACOs), Logistics and Services (including Shipboard Security and Staff Corps) and Research.
^ Early on when playing STO, I delved into the options of using my favourite uniforms but adding various colors. I ended up with command red, tactical/security red, engineering yellow, science blue, medical green, counselor purple, operations manager orange, and diplomacy cyan.
I know that's a bit...liberal. Oh, but these colors.
I hope DSC gives us a nice, bright blue.
I know that's a bit...liberal. Oh, but these colors.
I hope DSC gives us a nice, bright blue.
I've started experimenting with uniforms too. I'm fond of forest green, so I've been trying to create a uniform that looks good with that color.^ Early on when playing STO, I delved into the options of using my favourite uniforms but adding various colors. I ended up with command red, tactical/security red, engineering yellow, science blue, medical green, counselor purple, operations manager orange, and diplomacy cyan.
I know that's a bit...liberal. Oh, but these colors.
My main disagreement with that design is the double ranking, first on the sleeve and then the shoulder. I would imagine there would be one or the other, or one reserved for dress uniforms and the other reserved for duty uniforms.
I do hope there is some Kelvin and Cage uniform influence, even if they are not directly replicated. The sleek look of the Kelvin was actually quite nice, and had a retro-futuristic look that, with redone colors, could maybe work well.
Also, I hope that the uniforms have a field jacket variant of some kind. The Cage offered a wide variety of uniforms.
Most of all this.
All of this is why I again advocate for the use of many different uniform variants in DSC, and not just one basic uniform. That's one aspect I enjoy about the Kelvin Timeline films, there's a lot of different uniform variants.
Have a few shots of certain characters wearing The Cage uniforms, but also introduce new, updated uniforms for other various situations.
I guess to me that's the simplest way to go. A 'have your cake and eat it too' approach. That way everyone is happy. (I know, you'll never make EVERYONE happy.)
Have a few shots of certain characters wearing The Cage uniforms, but also introduce new, updated uniforms for other various situations.
I guess to me that's the simplest way to go. A 'have your cake and eat it too' approach. That way everyone is happy. (I know, you'll never make EVERYONE happy.)
I was gonna say, "making everyone happy" when you're talking about Trekkies? That is a tall order, my friend.
The purpose of uniforms being . . . uniformity.
It's no big deal if DSC chooses a different uniform than what was used in TOS - although I hope they don't, because I like the TOS uniforms. I just wish they'd pick one and stick with it. Don't do what they do in the Kelvin films, where it seems that the uniforms change with every film! (And even within, say, STB, there's three or four different kinds...)
About a year after. DSC is in 2254, and "The Cage" was 2253 (as per Spock's comments about it being "13 years ago" while the first season of TOS took place in 2266).
About a year after. DSC is in 2254, and "The Cage" was 2253 (as per Spock's comments about it being "13 years ago" while the first season of TOS took place in 2266).
Cage/WNMHGB still used single-layer uniforms that prominently displayed division color as opposed to multi-piece uniforms with more subtle division stripes or undershirts. Even though we see the former style the most (through TOS, TNG, VOY and early DS9), the latter seems to be more the more definitive style in-universe throughout the history of Starfleet (including ENT). So I think instead of an updated "Cage" uniform, we should expect to find something never before seen that shows an evolution between ENT and the Maroons.
They should just make the best looking and most believable uniforms that they can afford. Something sleek, functional, futuristic.
And then switched back again before Where No Man Has Gone before.
No, about all the leeway they have is switching between the bubble collar and the flat collar.
And adding the two strip rank braid for the captain.
Thing is, although both uniforms were multi-layered, stylistically the MM variant that is closest to the UESF style was the jumpsuits not the officers 'service'/'dress' uniform (although the MM officers uniform might compare to the Admiral's variant which was a two piece suit, again supporting a difference in uniform by rank.
As far as it goes, I'd be fine with an improved (better fitted/tailored) version of MM jumpsuits in either dark blue/black with Divisional trims or Divisional colours for everyday (following UESPA>MM jumpsuits), with a tunic, pants and high collar Divisional colored shirt (without tie please) for formal occassions or by senior officers (following UESPA Adm>MM officers).
And then switched back again before Where No Man Has Gone before.
No, about all the leeway they have is switching between the bubble collar and the flat collar.
And adding the two strip rank braid for the captain.
Leeway?
They're going to do what they like.
the uniforms on Enterprise were a huge turnoff and a big mistake.
We need a simple version of "The Cage" unis or its not going to jive as a prequel.
We need a simple version of "The Cage" unis or its not going to jive as a prequel.
They don't really need anything like "The Cage" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before" uniforms for it to jive as a prequel. There is a precedent (or two) for different Starfleet uniforms to be in service at the same time.
Personally, I could see them going for something like this:
With appropriate Starfleet insignia and logos added of course.
With appropriate Starfleet insignia and logos added of course.
I could see that being a modern interpretation of the Cage and Where No Man uniforms... I'm fine with a modern updated look that implies this is what they looked like all along. Just like the Klingons. TMP came out with what the Klingons really looked like all along and then DS9 went and ruined that for the sake of comedy.
Someone above mentioned if those slavish to the Cage and Where No Man uniforms are going to be just as distraught if the Klingons don't look like TOS Klingons down to their uniforms. Good point.
Someone above mentioned if those slavish to the Cage and Where No Man uniforms are going to be just as distraught if the Klingons don't look like TOS Klingons down to their uniforms. Good point.
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