Uniforms in the new series

[STEPhon IT]

The TNG uniforms or the DS9/Voyager uniforms!

I actually loved the DS9 uniforms, sorry that series had it first before Voy, it was appropriate for a crew who would be working in some grimy places to have a comfortable workman's jumpsuit on a space station but still represent themselves as Star Fleet.
Whatever the uniforms were in TNG movies I thought a lot of those problems would've been spared if those movies were 5 to 10 years in the future so it separated themselves from those awful spinoffs. DS9 wearing those First Contact outfits destroyed the value of the outfits. It's not as if I liked those ugly outfits anyway, but there wasn't a contrast between movies and syndication. A futile error on Berman's part.

 

[fireproof78]

I would, but not as daily wear uniform. A few things, if they are wearing armor then I want it to work, as in they can be shot and there's no effect, not like in Star Wars where a stormtrooper got taken down by a tiny Ewok arrow.

Having armor might get in the way of the storytelling, they can't be easily hurt while in armor, so if you need a character to be easily hurt they can't be wearing armor.

Also, there's the practical consideration that believable scifi armor would likely be expensive.

Certainly there are practical considerations as part of the show's development. I don't think it necessarily needs to be part of the daily uniform, but it would be nice for landing parties/away teams to have some measure of protection. Given the prevalence of police procedural type shows and the use of bullet proof vests, I don't think it would be that out of place.

This is what we've seen so far.

Which is odd, considering the amount of shows that we have had, that little in the way of some sort of personal armor has not had more considerations or development. I certainly have seen a lot in the way of fan ideas, and concepts, including Marine style armor, but I just would like to see something designed for away team use.

 

[Dac]

I kinda like Star Trek Online's "Odyssey" uniforms.

Sod off - that's the uniforms on the Odyssey in game?! I rocked the exact same white shoulders with rank division under colour uniform in game. And tbh if they're gonna go with this kind of look, I'd like that too.

 

[T'Girl]

Is Deanna Troi crossdressing because she's in pants most of the time? No?

No, but there is a difference and this is what it is.

It is obvious that women do wear pants/trousers in the 24th century, as well as skirts of various lengths, we see this. It's also obvious that men and women have separate uniform styles, Picard would appear odd if he wore a female style uniform.

However, while we do see limited examples of men wearing skirts, it's clear from years of observation that this isn't the norm. What dictates whether something is/isn't cross-dressing is largely socially constructed. The society under observation in Star Trek (Starfleet and Federation civilian) does not have men routinely in skirts as a standard.

Again there is nothing wrong with crossdressing, or employing the term descriptively. There isn't anything to suggest that the few men we see crossdressing are doing so as a fetish or expressing gender identity, and most likely it was simply a matter of comfort and personal choice.

because we are talking about a futuristic, super tolerant utopia.

I would agree with futuristic. You'll get a argument from me on both super tolerant and utopia.

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[eyeresist]

As far as shirt/no-skirt goes, Trek people have generally been depicted according to current social conventions. Getting too far out with fashions runs a serious risk of soon looking dated.
My own feeling is that skirts are silly, particularly in a work environment. I don't think women on naval ships wear skirts; they wear pants, because it's practical.

 

[Lynx]

I actually loved the DS9 uniforms, sorry that series had it first before Voy, it was appropriate for a crew who would be working in some grimy places to have a comfortable workman's jumpsuit on a space station but still represent themselves as Star Fleet.
Whatever the uniforms were in TNG movies I thought a lot of those problems would've been spared if those movies were 5 to 10 years in the future so it separated themselves from those awful spinoffs. DS9 wearing those First Contact outfits destroyed the value of the outfits. It's not as if I liked those ugly outfits anyway, but there wasn't a contrast between movies and syndication. A futile error on Berman's part.

You mean another futile error on Berman's part?

As for the uniforms, I just happen to like those uniforms, both the TNG ones and the DS9/VOY ones. Practical with distinguished colors for Command, Science and Engineering.

However, I always wondered why Security personel is wearing Engineering yellow. Wouldn't they have red, like the command people or some specific color.

As for the change of color between TOS and TNG when Command got red and Engineering got yellow color, I have a theory.

During Kirk's days at the Enterprise, so many Security crewmembers (redshirts) were killed off so that it started a rumor or legend that the red shirts were cursed in some way. It went so far that there were Security personel who almost refused to wear the red color during missions. To avoid all those problems, Starfleet decided to change the colors to red for Command and yellow for Engineering.

Maybe that's also the reason why Security personel wears yellow instead of red in the 24th century.

 

[TheSubCommander]

I always assumed the TNG command red uniforms were more of a call back to the TOS movie uniforms, where everyone had a maroon-red uniform. From TWOK to at least the 2340s, when the Enterprise-C was lost in battle, everyone had the same color uniform, with variations of collar color.

Oddly, Enterprise followed the TNG-era color scheme, and really it is the TOS series era that is the odd ball, with command being gold, and security being red. The question really is why did the science and engineering/security fields change their colors to blue and gold by the TNG era?

 

[AviTrek]

No, but there is a difference and this is what it is.

It is obvious that women do wear pants/trousers in the 24th century, as well as skirts of various lengths, we see this. It's also obvious that men and women have separate uniform styles, Picard would appear odd if he wore a female style uniform.

However, while we do see limited examples of men wearing skirts, it's clear from years of observation that this isn't the norm. What dictates whether something is/isn't cross-dressing is largely socially constructed. The society under observation in Star Trek (Starfleet and Federation civilian) does not have men routinely in skirts as a standard.

Again there is nothing wrong with crossdressing, or employing the term descriptively. There isn't anything to suggest that the few men we see crossdressing are doing so as a fetish or expressing gender identity, and most likely it was simply a matter of comfort and personal choice.

I would agree with futuristic. You'll get a argument from me on both super tolerant and utopia.

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The society of previous shows is largely irrelevant until we know if the new show is connected in any way to past Trek history. What Takeru means is that if on the new show they regularly show men wearing skirts(both main and background characters), then those characters are not cross-dressing, they are just reflective of a society where men regularly wear skirts. In that case you don't need a complicated story why one character choose to wear a skirt, it's just how he dresses sometimes just like how Troi wore pants and Picard wore a jacket.

 

[Takeru]

Oddly, Enterprise followed the TNG-era color scheme, ...

Nope, command wore gold and engineering/security red on Enterprise.

 

[RAMA]

How armor might work. There is a likelihood that any armor would be incapable of withstanding a shot from a disruptor or phaser directly, but if the "armor" had an energy dissipator or absorber, then it might be more believable that it could withstand a few shots before burning out. Also that's a good way to avoid being" invulnerable ".

Certainly there are practical considerations as part of the show's development. I don't think it necessarily needs to be part of the daily uniform, but it would be nice for landing parties/away teams to have some measure of protection. Given the prevalence of police procedural type shows and the use of bullet proof vests, I don't think it would be that out of place.


Which is odd, considering the amount of shows that we have had, that little in the way of some sort of personal armor has not had more considerations or development. I certainly have seen a lot in the way of fan ideas, and concepts, including Marine style armor, but I just would like to see something designed for away team use.

 

[fireproof78]

I always assumed the TNG command red uniforms were more of a call back to the TOS movie uniforms, where everyone had a maroon-red uniform. From TWOK to at least the 2340s, when the Enterprise-C was lost in battle, everyone had the same color uniform, with variations of collar color.

Oddly, Enterprise followed the TNG-era color scheme, and really it is the TOS series era that is the odd ball, with command being gold, and security being red. The question really is why did the science and engineering/security fields change their colors to blue and gold by the TNG era?

I thought the gold was a holdover from the movie era as well, as Engineering had gold turtlenecks, and they just decided to keep the three divisions. Though, I am in agreement with you about Command coming from the maroon jackets.

ENT followed TOS color scheme, though shades are actually closer to TNG, as seen here

 

[Kor]

Oddly, Enterprise followed the TNG-era color scheme

I'm not so sure about that...
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jonathan_Archer

Kor

 

[STEPhon IT]

As for the change of color between TOS and TNG when Command got red and Engineering got yellow color, I have a theory.

During Kirk's days at the Enterprise, so many Security crewmembers (redshirts) were killed off so that it started a rumor or legend that the red shirts were cursed in some way. It went so far that there were Security personel who almost refused to wear the red color during missions. To avoid all those problems, Starfleet decided to change the colors to red for Command and yellow for Engineering.

Maybe that's also the reason why Security personel wears yellow instead of red in the 24th century.

Well, actually the color was avocado green, and when TNG had their original uniforms the colors were in tuned to the colors designed from the TOS. But then in the 3rd season of TNG the color looked more solid in the yellow color, and doesn't look right to me.
I don't understand the big deal about the red shirt thing. Security is more than likely to be harmed because they're more of them and the first line of defense. I think tactical should either be green or red in TOS/TNG first 2 seasons, and Ugly Yellow or red in TNG universe. Like Yeoman's and Communications the color scheme will dictate what track they're interests are.

It's a shame viewers in the U.S. were bombarded by the horrible broadcasting techniques done 50 years ago until the millennium. NTSC had f*ck up viewers' sights on the true colors of Star Trek, and other very colorful shows of that era. THANK GOD FOR HD, so the ignorance can be abolished. Avocado green looks better than yellow.

 

[eyeresist]

^ Actually, I'd say colour design was done bearing in mind the limitations of NTSC. They would have tested before broadcasting, and said that in-universe Kirk was wearing gold, just as in-universe that is his natural skin colour and not make-up.

 

[AviTrek]

^ Actually, I'd say colour design was done bearing in mind the limitations of NTSC. They would have tested before broadcasting, and said that in-universe Kirk was wearing gold, just as in-universe that is his natural skin colour and not make-up.

Yes and No. We all think of of the Kirk wraparound jersey being a different color than his standard shirt. However, when filming they were actually the same color but the materials picked up light differently and looked were recorded differently.different on TV.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, actually the color was avocado green, and when TNG had their original uniforms the colors were in tuned to the colors designed from the TOS. But then in the 3rd season of TNG the color looked more solid in the yellow color, and doesn't look right to me.
I don't understand the big deal about the red shirt thing. Security is more than likely to be harmed because they're more of them and the first line of defense. I think tactical should either be green or red in TOS/TNG first 2 seasons, and Ugly Yellow or red in TNG universe. Like Yeoman's and Communications the color scheme will dictate what track they're interests are.

It's a shame viewers in the U.S. were bombarded by the horrible broadcasting techniques done 50 years ago until the millennium. NTSC had f*ck up viewers' sights on the true colors of Star Trek, and other very colorful shows of that era. THANK GOD FOR HD, so the ignorance can be abolished. Avocado green looks better than yellow.

Sometimes you have to go with what the production company says it is

 

[Chekov's Phaser]

Well, actually the color was avocado green, and when TNG had their original uniforms the colors were in tuned to the colors designed from the TOS. But then in the 3rd season of TNG the color looked more solid in the yellow color, and doesn't look right to me.
I don't understand the big deal about the red shirt thing. Security is more than likely to be harmed because they're more of them and the first line of defense. I think tactical should either be green or red in TOS/TNG first 2 seasons, and Ugly Yellow or red in TNG universe. Like Yeoman's and Communications the color scheme will dictate what track they're interests are.

It's a shame viewers in the U.S. were bombarded by the horrible broadcasting techniques done 50 years ago until the millennium. NTSC had f*ck up viewers' sights on the true colors of Star Trek, and other very colorful shows of that era. THANK GOD FOR HD, so the ignorance can be abolished. Avocado green looks better than yellow.

I think its pretty well established at this point, at least in-universe, that Kirk and others are wearing gold. No matter what color they were actually wearing.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Yes and No. We all think of of the Kirk wraparound jersey being a different color than his standard shirt. However, when filming they were actually the same color but the materials picked up light differently and looked were recorded differently.different on TV.

On Blu Ray I see green for the tunics. There was only one episode that stated Kirk's tunic was gold and it's part of a series that's not considered Star Trek anyway.
Sorry but all one have to do is look at the dress uniform of command, and the wraparound were green, it never made sense for the Duty uniform to be yellow. Anyway, I'm glad it appears correct in Hi Def, so future generations won't be ignorant about the true colors.

 

[Chekov's Phaser]

There was only one episode that stated Kirk's tunic was gold and it's part of a series that's not considered Star Trek anyway.

In DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations, Sisko mentions command officers wearing gold. Yes the "true" color was avocado green, but it's accepted at this point that the color of command is considered gold. It has nothing to do with ignorance.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I don't accept what DS9 mentioned, especially when Sisko's outfit colors were wrong. I'm happy to see the HD remastered versions will forever look right while the standard crap will fade into nothing.