Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility be?

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

So.

In order for a man to pass on his genetic heritage he must have the consent and basically a decades long committment from a woman.

In order for a woman to pass on her genetic heritage all she has to do is find a one time willing partner?

Once again, it is making the womans rights superior and above that of the man.

Since the woman is the one carrying the child in her womb and taking the risk to health by doing so they deserve more say in such matters.

Can't say I agree.

Tough.

 

[IndyJones]

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You're not alone, Kestrel. It makes KS sound as if he sees women as simply brood mares for males to pass on their superior genetic code, or some such nonsense.

What was the word that Darkwing used to use? Helpmate? Always sounded pretty creepy to me.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

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You're not alone, Kestrel. It makes KS sound as if he sees women as simply brood mares for males to pass on their superior genetic code, or some such nonsense.

What was the word that Darkwing used to use? Helpmate? Always sounded pretty creepy to me.

The creepy part about all that is the way some Christian men speak of women as subservient "partners" who always defer to the husband's will. That's not a "partnership," it's more like slavery.

 

[Mary Ann]

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Yep, barefoot and pregnant.

 

[Thestral]

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Am I the only one that finds the repeated use of "genetic heritage" really weird?

At the very least, the word you're looking for is "legacy."

You're not alone, Kestrel. It makes KS sound as if he sees women as simply brood mares for males to pass on their superior genetic code, or some such nonsense.

Yeah, exactly. Creepy.

 

[Avalon]

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Yep, barefoot and pregnant.

And voiceless.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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Why is the same argument not made about a womans choices being from when she spreads her legs?

That's a clown question, bro.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

No, no, now remember, it's very simple, folks: If a man has sex with a woman, it makes him a "real man"/"stud"/"player". If a woman has sex with a man, it makes her "easy"/"loose"/"a slut"/"a whore".

See? Simple.

 

[Knight Templar]

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No, no, now remember, it's very simple, folks: If a man has sex with a woman, it makes him a "real man"/"stud"/"player". If a woman has sex with a man, it makes her "easy"/"loose"/"a slut"/"a whore".

See? Simple.

Well that is not true.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

No, no, now remember, it's very simple, folks: If a man has sex with a woman, it makes him a "real man"/"stud"/"player". If a woman has sex with a man, it makes her "easy"/"loose"/"a slut"/"a whore".

See? Simple.

Well that is not true.

In what ways isn't it true?

 

[Davros]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Can't say I agree.

What risk does the man take with the pregnancy?

Little if any that I know of.

But that is besides the point. Since when are "rights" derived from "risks".?

Soldiers voluntarily assume far, far, far greater "risks" in order to protect our nation and our culture.

Yet they receive no greater political rights than any other voter.

They have the right to the control of their own bodies, and since their body is the one at risk they get to have more say about what happens to it.

 

[Knight Templar]

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No, no, now remember, it's very simple, folks: If a man has sex with a woman, it makes him a "real man"/"stud"/"player". If a woman has sex with a man, it makes her "easy"/"loose"/"a slut"/"a whore".

See? Simple.

Well that is not true.

In what ways isn't it true?

Well for me personally it isn't true. I have tremendous disgust and disdain for a man who "can't keep it in his pants" as the saying goes.

It has always disgusted me to see "men" taking risks all for a piece of tail.

 

[Paulcpick]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

No, no, now remember, it's very simple, folks: If a man has sex with a woman, it makes him a "real man"/"stud"/"player". If a woman has sex with a man, it makes her "easy"/"loose"/"a slut"/"a whore".

See? Simple.

I wish I could be so simple minded


If thats the way you feel, that says volumes about you.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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^ Humor. It is a difficult concept.

 

[Lookingglassman]

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A real man would accept the responsibility.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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^ This.

 

[{ Emilia }]

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It has always disgusted me to see "men" taking risks all for a piece of tail.

What kind of risks are you talking about?

Sex isn't risky at all.

Sure, you need to use a condom to be "safe" but that's easier than learning how to drive. So sex is less risky than driving.

Do you also tell people not to drive?

 

[The Lady Eve]

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Will if you think a man should be fully obligated why are you stating that the woman has superior rights? She hasn't.

I'm saying you can make the argument that the womans (sic) rights are superior given that you're basically giving a woman (through the right to have an abortion) control over a mans (sic) genetic heritage.

Look - if you're going to troll, try harder. This is just appalling. Plus, the only person on this planet who might have given two shits about your "genetic heritage" was the fictional Doctor Moreau.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Will if you think a man should be fully obligated why are you stating that the woman has superior rights? She hasn't.

I'm saying you can make the argument that the womans (sic) rights are superior given that you're basically giving a woman (through the right to have an abortion) control over a mans (sic) genetic heritage.

Look - if you're going to troll, try harder. This is just appalling. Plus, the only person on this planet who might have given two shits about your "genetic heritage" was the fictional Doctor Moreau.

Don't forget those folks who thought racial hygiene and eugenics as paramount to national survival at the turn of the 20'th century. There are even some today, like KT apparently, who are still.

 

[cooleddie74]

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A woman is not obliged to carry and give birth to a man's "genetic heritage" no matter who the father is, whether he be a person of lofty importance or from the lowest rungs of the social ladder. In the end, it's her body and her reproductive organs and she gets the final say over the pregnancy. Just because fifty percent of the genetic material was supplied by the man doesn't give him fifty percent(or more)of the say.

If science ever invents a fantastical, high-tech gestation chamber that both the father and the mother have to jointly operate in order for the child to even survive, then yeah...I'd say the man will have an equal say in the matter and well deserve it. Until then, stop trying to treat women like second- or third-class citizens by attempting to control their bodies. It's not your say because you don't have to spend nine months carrying the baby. You did almost none of the work in bringing the child into the world.