Under the Cloak of War. M'Benga was a bit overdramatic

[TRON JA307020]

Except that the Federation wanted the war vets to interact with Dak’Rah. And as Pike is supposed to represent the best of the Federation, he’s just furthering the goals of what the Federation want. The insensitivity is really on the part of the Federation. Especially since Pike decided that Dak’Rah should leave the ship a whole day early when Una made it clear to him that Rah’s presence was affecting crew morale.

The war vets were right to be mad at Dak'Rah's presence on the ship. But, the war vets should also be mad at the idiocy that occurred before, during, and after the Battle of the Binary Stars on the part of Starfleet. Burnham, Saru and Georgiou are all to blame for that battle escalating into a war and 100M dead. And Saru should have been held accountable like Burnham, instead of being promoted.

Also worth noting that the war vets aren’t being given an outlet to channel their anger and trauma properly. Maybe this is why Starfleet has ship's counselors in the 24th century, though one has to wonder what took so long to begin with. But then again, between this and Shaw's outburst at Picard in PIC, Starfleet seems to have a problem supporting those that have lingering trauma.

Yeah. I agree. Burnham got off way to easy. She was responsible for a whole war but yet gets praised as being amazing most of the series.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Yeah. I agree. Burnham got off way to easy. She was responsible for a whole war but yet gets praised as being amazing most of the series.

She was hardly responsible for the war. The war would have happened whether Burnham and the Shenzhou were there or not. Furthermore, she was sentenced to life in prison so I don't see how that represents her getting off easy. The fact that she was given a chance to redeem herself doesn't change that.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah. I agree. Burnham got off way to easy. She was responsible for a whole war but yet gets praised as being amazing most of the series.

Court martial and a sentence of life in prison. Refuses the new assignment until Lorca guilts her in to it. Looked down upon by some crew mates for starting a war the Klingons were going to fight anyway.

Blamed for Georgiou's death.

Doubted many times by Saru and Stamets.

She did not get off easily. Nevermind the trauma and guilt she had buried under Vulcan discipline that did more harm than good.

 

[Mudd]

Court martial and a sentence of life in prison. Refuses the new assignment until Lorca guilts her in to it. Looked down upon by some crew mates for starting a war the Klingons were going to fight anyway.

Blamed for Georgiou's death.

Doubted many times by Saru and Stamets.

Earned all of it.

 

[XCV330]

And Saru should have been held accountable like Burnham, instead of being promoted.

The war would have happened, regardless. The Klignons wanted one. This is just silly, though. Saru did nothing wrong. He mentioned his own worries, which were ignored. Georgio picked favorites and she picked poorly. We don't know everything that happened between the point that Georgio died and the crew were picked up. but he apparently kept many of them alive.

 

[FederationHistorian]

And how was Saru to blame? Burnham was the one who attempted mutiny against Georgiou.

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Saru was the science officer on the Shenzhou, he delivered science jargon and clunky exposition about his ability to sense death. I fail to see how he is responsible for the outbreak of the Klingon War or why he should have been "held accountable" or even what he should have been "held accountable" for.

Saru comes up with a plan to attack the Sarcophagus with a torpedo, which would killed T’Kuvma and made him a martyr. Georgiou would have took on the suicide mission to do it. It’s Burnham that talks both Georgiou’s and Saru out of it and suggests to capture him instead to void making T’Kuvma a martyr. Thereby giving Georgiou a reason to not sacrifice her life.

There was a moment when Saru could have beamed back Georgiou and T’Kuvma and completed the mission. He didn’t, despite the mission parameters being to capture T’Kuvma. Beucase of his inaction, Burnham killed T’Kuvma after witnessing him killing her captain and made him a martyr. The Battle of the Binary Stars could have been confined to just that event instead of extending out for six months.

Saru seemed fine with taking actions that would get people killed. Burnham wasn't

And war was an inevitability the moment Shenzhou made contact with the Sarcophagus. It's what the Klingons wanted, it's what they were looking for, and they would have used any excuse to open hostilities. I don't see what happened at the binary stars happening any differently even if Starfleet didn't have Burnham to use a scapegoat.* If anything, Discovery 's presence gave Starfleet a heads up that hostilities were coming.

*And that doesn't mean I'm excusing Burnham's actions either. She was rightfully court-martialed for the mutiny, but she did not start the war.

Georgiou did not want to attack the Klingons. Probably because Klingons attacking Federation ships was routine by that point. It does not matter that T’Kuvma was a warmonger, since Klingons want conflict regardless.

Georgiou was holding back because she already knows they want war. And not firing makes sure they don't get what they want.

The war would have happened, regardless. The Klignons wanted one. This is just silly, though. Saru did nothing wrong. He mentioned his own worries, which were ignored. Georgio picked favorites and she picked poorly. We don't know everything that happened between the point that Georgio died and the crew were picked up. but he apparently kept many of them alive.

Burnham had a plan that kept everyone across the Federation and the Klingon alive from capturing T’Kuvma. All he had to do was beam back Georgiou and T’Kuvma. Surely sensors should have told him something to beam them back.

 

[XCV330]

Burnham had a plan that kept everyone across the Federation and the Klingon alive from capturing T’Kuvma. All he had to do was beam back Georgiou and T’Kuvma. Surely sensors should have told him something to beam them back.

Clearly they didn't

 

[Turtletrekker]

Burnham and the Shenzhou were just excuses for the Klingons. Whether at the Binary Stars or somewhere else in the very near future, war was going to break out between the Klingons and the Federation. There just would have been a different flash point for the conflict.

 

[The Wormhole]

Saru comes up with a plan to attack the Sarcophagus with a torpedo, which would killed T’Kuvma and made him a martyr.

Just because Saru thought up a plan doesn't mean he's responsible for its outcome. Georgiou was the one who would have agreed to the plan, making it her responsibility. Saru can't be blamed if Georgiou chose to go through with it.

There was a moment when Saru could have beamed back Georgiou and T’Kuvma and completed the mission.

There was? It all seemed to happen rather fast to me, and I don't remember there being one particular moment where T'Kuvma was in the clear for any action until after he stabbed Georgiou, in which case Michael had an emotional reaction in the moment.