Uhura replacing McCoy/Bones?

[Pauln6]

I wonder why so many writers don't know how annoying it is?

Since watching Zombieland I find myself shouting, 'Don't forget the double tap' at the screen A LOT.

I guess they do it for added tension, 'cause they know you're sitting there, "Hurry up, do "x" you moron, or the "y" is gonna "z". There's time for that mushy stuff when you're actually safe"

I just watched an ep of Who where the Dr. yells at Martha that they should not waste time hugging. Their "I am glad you are alive hug" gave the Daleks an advantage. Loved it.

Yes! What's with all the hugging? Dr Who never used to hug his assistants all the time and that was when the stories were twice as long. Stop wasting time hugging and tell us a decent story.

However, I can get on board with running up and down corridors and/or quarries. That's the true spirit of Dr Who!

 

[LobsterAfternoon]

I like McCoy.

 

[Anji]

I think it is too early to say if this Uhura switching out McCoy is true. We've only seen one Abrams script.

 

[Cake]

I think there were only two leads in the last movie and that were Kirk and Spock. McCoy and Uhura were on the same level behind them. We will see, how it is in the next movie. As I really like McCoy, I hope his role isn't getting smaller.

I don't mind it in itself, that Uhura got more screentime, just how it was used. It just feels so cliche, that the only significant female character spent a large amount of her screentime being the love interest of the two main male characters.

And there were only three other halfway memorable female characters in the movie, Winona, Amanda and Gaila. Winona and Amanda were defined solely as wives and mothers before they were killed off. And Gaila was mainly seen in bed with Kirk and later she probably died off screen.

If there would have been other female characters, who don't spend a large degree or all of their screentime being the girlfriend/wife/mother of a male character, then a few female characters with traditional female roles wouldn't have been a problem for me.

Maybe there will be female characters in the next movie, who don't sleep with Kirk or Spock or are related to one of them, which would be an improvement.

Spoiler: movie

I know Carol Marcus will be in Into Darkness and that she will be the love interest of Kirk. I really hope the love interest part will be small and most of her screentime will be dedicated to something non romantic.

Hopefully in the next movie, we won't see the XO and the Comm officer making out in front of the Captain while he taps his foot and whistles waiting for them to get their tongues out of each others mouth

And now in the next movie they will be snogging all over the damn ship!!!

Spoiler: movie

In the Super Bowl commercial they kiss again in front of others. It looks like some redshirts. Not sure, if it is on the Enterprise and if Kirk is around, too.

 

[Pauln6]

I think there were only two leads in the last movie and that were Kirk and Spock. McCoy and Uhura were on the same level behind them. We will see, how it is in the next movie. As I really like McCoy, I hope his role isn't getting smaller.

I don't mind it in itself, that Uhura got more screentime, just how it was used. It just feels so cliche, that the only significant female character spent a large amount or her screentime being the love interest of the two main male characters.

And there were only three other halfway memorable female characters in the movie, Winona, Amanda and Gaila. Winona and Amanda were defined solely as wives and mothers before they were killed off. And Gaila was mainly seen in bed with Kirk and later she probably died off screen.

If there would have been other female characters, who don't spend a large degree or all of their screentime being the girlfriend/wife/mother of a male character, then a few female characters with traditional female roles wouldn't have been a problem for me.

They definitely missed a trick by leaving out Number One and T'Pau from a plot where they could easily have been incorporated. We ended up with a 21st century interpretation that was more sexist than the 60s source material, which shocking and disheartening.

I've banged on quite a bit that they could have utilised Rand as a security guard to modernise her and expand the role of the women. I would have preferred it if Kirk had been beamed with a security escort to Delta Vega so that his encounter with Spock was not so ludicrously coincidental, we could have Kirk pleading with Rand to trust him, cementing her loyalty to him, and the snow beast could have been used while going outside to upgrade Scotty's equipment to beam onto a (much closer - since Kirk hasn't wasted a day trekking across the snow) ship at warp.

This also overcomes the lack of logic in using an escape capsule that might well be needed later on. Scotty should have picked up Kirk's emergency beacon and beamed him to the base, delaying his rescue by mere minutes. We don't know why that didn't happen but Spock certainly could not have predicted it. It was a petulant waste of resources.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I've banged on quite a bit that they could have utilised Rand as a security guard to modernise her and expand the role of the women. I would have preferred it if Kirk had been beamed with a security escort to Delta Vega so that his encounter with Spock was not so ludicrously coincidental, we could have Kirk pleading with Rand to trust him, cementing her loyalty to him, and the snow beast could have been used while going outside to upgrade Scotty's equipment to beam onto a (much closer - since Kirk hasn't wasted a day trekking across the snow) ship at warp.

And Led Zeppelin could have used more banjo on Physical Graffiti, but they did not, and wether that would have improved the quality of the album is therefore conjectural.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I hope not. Nu-Uhura is awful.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I hope not. Nu-Uhura is awful.

I'm sure it would be more interesting if you took the time to elaborate a little more. The new version of Uhura is a fully realized character, which she had never been before.

 

[Pauln6]

I've banged on quite a bit that they could have utilised Rand as a security guard to modernise her and expand the role of the women. I would have preferred it if Kirk had been beamed with a security escort to Delta Vega so that his encounter with Spock was not so ludicrously coincidental, we could have Kirk pleading with Rand to trust him, cementing her loyalty to him, and the snow beast could have been used while going outside to upgrade Scotty's equipment to beam onto a (much closer - since Kirk hasn't wasted a day trekking across the snow) ship at warp.

And Led Zeppelin could have used more banjo on Physical Graffiti, but they did not, and wether that would have improved the quality of the album is therefore conjectural.

Conjecture is the bread and butter of any forum.

For my part, the sexism of the movie was annoying and making it less sexist would have been a plus. For my part some of the behaviour and coincidences were a bit too clumsy so making them less clumsy would have been a plus.

Those people who did not even care or notice may not think that changes to the movie would have been in any way better but the win would be if they did not think that it was any worse.

For example, I have yet to come across anybody who is of the view that Star Trek isn't sexist enough...

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Conjecture is the bread and butter of any forum.

True, but there's a point where it becomes "please comment on this fanfic I just wrote".

For my part, the sexism of the movie was annoying and making it less sexist would have been a plus. For my part some of the behaviour and coincidences were a bit too clumsy so making them less clumsy would have been a plus.

That I can agree with, although I didn't find Star Trek any more sexist than most popcorn movies, i.e. it was a little bit sexist. There are so many examples of actual, tangible sexism all around us that I can't conjure the strength to be up in arms just because Uhura spent some of her screen time as one of the main characters' love interest.

 

[Pauln6]

Conjecture is the bread and butter of any forum.

True, but there's a point where it becomes "please comment on this fanfic I just wrote".

For my part, the sexism of the movie was annoying and making it less sexist would have been a plus. For my part some of the behaviour and coincidences were a bit too clumsy so making them less clumsy would have been a plus.

That I can agree with, although I didn't find Star Trek any more sexist than most popcorn movies, i.e. it was a little bit sexist. There are so many examples of actual, tangible sexism all around us that I can't conjure the strength to be up in arms just because Uhura spent some of her screen time as one of the main characters' love interest.

Uhura is the token female silly. It's all the other characters you need to look at when assessing how sexist the movie was. Plus if a sci fi franchise built on the premise of equality is as sexist as the average popcorn movie, don't you think that is a failure on the part of the writers?

Ooh - and please comment on this fanfic I wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/pauln6

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Uhura is the token female silly. It's all the other characters you need to look at when assessing how sexist the movie was.

You need to look at both, actually. The missed opportunities as well as the actual portrayal of women in the movie.

Plus if a sci fi franchise built on the premise of equality is as sexist as the average popcorn movie, don't you think that is a failure on the part of the writers?

No, because I don't agree that Star Trek was built on the premise of equality. Its most recent incarnation is just as sexist as the franchise has always been.

Ooh - and please comment on this fanfic I wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/pauln6

Well played, sir.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I hope not. Nu-Uhura is awful.

I'm sure it would be more interesting if you took the time to elaborate a little more. The new version of Uhura is a fully realized character, which she had never been before.

She is abrasive, snooty, cold and blackmails a professor she's been shagging to get a better assignment. I'd hardly call that a fully realised character.

Before I saw Nu-Trek, I had hoped that the developers would do something more with the character. I have always loved Nichelle Nichols portrayal of a warm and caring female officer. Given the circumstances she was never used anywhere near as much as she could/should have been, but what I did see made me like her.

The Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship needs to come back into the central focus, as it always was in the series and films.

But of course all this is my own opinion. It'll take some amazing work from the writers, director and actress in STID to make me change my opinion on Nu-Uhura.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

She is abrasive, snooty, cold and blackmails a professor she's been shagging to get a better assignment. I'd hardly call that a fully realised character.

Actually, yes, what you've just described is a fully realized character. It seems like you wouldn't like her as a person if she were a real person, but that's an entirely different thing. A good character is not necessarily one that you'd like to meet or share time with.

 

[Pauln6]

Plus if a sci fi franchise built on the premise of equality is as sexist as the average popcorn movie, don't you think that is a failure on the part of the writers?

No, because I don't agree that Star Trek was built on the premise of equality. Its most recent incarnation is just as sexist as the franchise has always been.

I agree they've never successfully shown it on screen but nonetheless the show is founded on that premise.

Classic example of failing to live up the ideals is a recent comic featuring Keenser where, instead of adapting the workplace to allow Keenser to do his job as we would have to in the 20th century (a simple antigrav plate or an old fashioned step would do the trick) Scotty suggests that Keenser might not be cut out to serve on a starship. What makes it worse is that Keenser is being protrayed as a senior officer - like Starfleet is going to crap out officers that can't even do their job.

So I do think we should offer criticism to encourage them to do better and live up to the premise instead of shrugging and saying oh well, it's always been like that.

For that Voyager was still in many ways very sexist, it did take some forward steps. Building on that would be good. NuTrek most definitely did not.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

She is abrasive, snooty, cold and blackmails a professor she's been shagging to get a better assignment. I'd hardly call that a fully realised character.

Actually, yes, what you've just described is a fully realized character. It seems like you wouldn't like her as a person if she were a real person, but that's an entirely different thing. A good character is not necessarily one that you'd like to meet or share time with.

All changes I could understand if it had been her father killed aboard the Kelvin, but she should be just the same person she was in the prime universe.

Also with behaviour like that, surely she'd have been kicked out of the Academy and Spock dismissed from Starfleet for abusing his position, which would have rendered both of them unable to serve onboard any ship.

I'm not against a reboot and adding new elements to the characters, so long as they make sense. I'm not the hugest TOS fan out there, but it was what started Trek and many have a a special place for it in their hearts, with characters who are like old friends. Destroying that just to make someone 'sexy' (sorry, but I just don't see it) or 'sassy' (I can think of many things to call her, that isn't one of them) is just poor writing.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

All changes I could understand if it had been her father killed aboard the Kelvin, but she should be just the same person she was in the prime universe.

Maybe she was. We know next to nothing about the Uhura from the old continuity.

Also with behaviour like that, surely she'd have been kicked out of the Academy and Spock dismissed from Starfleet for abusing his position, which would have rendered both of them unable to serve onboard any ship.

What makes you think that? Evidently she was not kicked out of the Academy, so her behavior was considered to be acceptable.

I'm not against a reboot and adding new elements to the characters, so long as they make sense. I'm not the hugest TOS fan out there, but it was what started Trek and many have a a special place for it in their hearts, with characters who are like old friends. Destroying that just to make someone 'sexy' (sorry, but I just don't see it) or 'sassy' (I can think of many things to call her, that isn't one of them) is just poor writing.

Obviously nothing has been destroyed. And it's, I think, a little odd that you don't agree with the words "sexy" and "sassy" since you're the one who introduced them into the conversation. I certainly did not, and neither did the writers or the director, IIRC.

 

[F. King Daniel]

She is abrasive, snooty, cold and blackmails a professor she's been shagging to get a better assignment. I'd hardly call that a fully realised character.

Fans' abilities to read into a cute scene and make DEADLY SERIOUS BLACKMAIL from it will never cease to amaze me.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

What makes you think that? Evidently she was not kicked out of the Academy, so her behavior was considered to be acceptable.

Most educational bodies frown upon a professor and student becoming romantically or sexually involved, without knowing more about the Academy code of coduct I think it would be safe to assume that such standards would remain.

Obviously nothing has been destroyed. And it's, I think, a little odd that you don't agree with the words "sexy" and "sassy" since you're the one who introduced them into the conversation. I certainly did not, and neither did the writers or the director, IIRC.

Why make such drastic changes to the character if that wasn't their intention? As the only female in the cast she has to be used as the 'sex appeal' and giving her all the attitude makes her more modern.

That's how it comes across to me.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Fans' abilities to read into a cute scene and make DEADLY SERIOUS BLACKMAIL from it will never cease to amaze me.

I don't see it as "DEADLY SERIOUS", just highly unprofessional. If she had a grievance and had a legitimate arguement for requesting reassignment, why go running off to Spock (someone she has sway over) and not the female officer who gave Uhura her posting?

There are many little things in the Nu-Trek film that bother me, this is one of them.